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Any way to remove the "BREAKING NEWS" from this thread? Keeps throwing me off.

Paul_Averly wrote:Any way to remove the "BREAKING NEWS" from this thread? Keeps throwing me off.

Done

drew wrote:Seems like Zodiac covered a fair amount of ground at Lake B. That would not have been easy for someone the size of Ross, unless he had gotten himself into fairly decent shape by September, 1969. And the guy the sunbathers described was normal-sized too (if it was actually Z).

I personally think he was just really stocky and not all that out of shape in the late 60's. Could you see a morbidly obese guy running around naked? If he was a big fat slob, he probably had low self esteem and wouldn't want anyone to see him naked. I think his health declined over the years, but he probably wasn't in that bad of shape until '72 or '73.

But that is what the news article described -- so it's difficult to refute, IMO. He clearly wasn't in a rational state of mind as well, which would explain the lack of clothing.

Zodiac had a car at Lake Berryessa. The girls originally saw him in the parking lot when they arrived, inside his car. We know that Zodiac parked his car next to Bryan Hartnell's so he obviously drove the distance. The two events also happened two hours apart. I believe the girls saw the same guy, but Zodiac was obviously staking out the park/lake looking for a victim/victims.

The Zodiac was described as a large man by everyone who saw him at LB. The footprints they found were deemed to be of someone who was at least 220 lbs. Watch the first police press conference from Sept 1969. He was described by the police officer as a "very large man."

JeffP wrote:Zodiac had a car at Lake Berryessa. The girls originally saw him in the parking lot when they arrived, inside his car. We know that Zodiac parked his car next to Bryan Hartnell's so he obviously drove the distance. The two events also happened two hours apart. I believe the girls saw the same guy, but Zodiac was obviously staking out the park/lake looking for a victim/victims.

The Zodiac was described as a large man by everyone who saw him at LB. The footprints they found were deemed to be of someone who was at least 220 lbs. Watch the first police press conference from Sept 1969. He was described by the police officer as a "very large man."

the girls saw a man. some people think that man is the killer, the zodiac, and others think that man was just a random creep.

masootz wrote:

JeffP wrote:Zodiac had a car at Lake Berryessa. The girls originally saw him in the parking lot when they arrived, inside his car. We know that Zodiac parked his car next to Bryan Hartnell's so he obviously drove the distance. The two events also happened two hours apart. I believe the girls saw the same guy, but Zodiac was obviously staking out the park/lake looking for a victim/victims.

The Zodiac was described as a large man by everyone who saw him at LB. The footprints they found were deemed to be of someone who was at least 220 lbs. Watch the first police press conference from Sept 1969. He was described by the police officer as a "very large man."

the girls saw a man. some people think that man is the killer, the zodiac, and others think that man was just a random creep.

One thing's for sure, the Berryessa sketch and the SFPD Zodiac sketch don't seem to look much alike, but Ross certainly is a close match for the SFPD sketch

morf13 wrote:

masootz wrote:

JeffP wrote:Zodiac had a car at Lake Berryessa. The girls originally saw him in the parking lot when they arrived, inside his car. We know that Zodiac parked his car next to Bryan Hartnell's so he obviously drove the distance. The two events also happened two hours apart. I believe the girls saw the same guy, but Zodiac was obviously staking out the park/lake looking for a victim/victims.

The Zodiac was described as a large man by everyone who saw him at LB. The footprints they found were deemed to be of someone who was at least 220 lbs. Watch the first police press conference from Sept 1969. He was described by the police officer as a "very large man."

the girls saw a man. some people think that man is the killer, the zodiac, and others think that man was just a random creep.

One thing's for sure, the Berryessa sketch and the SFPD Zodiac sketch don't seem to look much alike, but Ross certainly is a close match for the SFPD sketch

I think Ross was wearing a wig at Lake Berryessa.

Seems like there are a few possible scenarios that would explain the variance in the sketches of Zodiac.
1. There happened to be another guy who seemed suspicious at Lake Berryessa
2. The three girls found "Sandy" to be suspicious because they were being questioned.
3. Zodiac wore a wig/dyed his hair
4. Zodiac had a partner
5. There was more than one point person as Zodiac
6. Zodiac took responsibility for both Berryessa or Stine but Zodiac didn't commit one or both of the crimes (Zodiac copycat)

The411 wrote:Seems like there are a few possible scenarios that would explain the variance in the sketches of Zodiac.
1. There happened to be another guy who seemed suspicious at Lake Berryessa
2. The three girls found "Sandy" to be suspicious because they were being questioned.
3. Zodiac wore a wig/dyed his hair
4. Zodiac had a partner
5. There was more than one point person as Zodiac
6. Zodiac took responsibility for both Berryessa or Stine but Zodiac didn't commit one or both of the crimes (Zodiac copycat)

Or it was the same guy at both Berryessa and Stine. Why is that so hard to believe?

He probably just had grown his hair, then by PH had shaved it into a crew cut. Both sketches have similar features (eyes, noses and lips). The Berryessa one tries to illustrate greased brown hair.

Since this thread is about Ross, it would make sense that at a time when long, natural hair was in style, Ross might have had greased up, out of style hair. Seems logical knowing how Ross was an awkward person.