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Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:12 am
by morf13
TomVoigt wrote:
MMSox wrote:That’d be wonderful. Unfortunately, Zodiac wasn’t stupid enough to use his everyday handwriting in Z letters.


1) How do you know
and
2) How does one magically alter their handwriting uniformly and consistently over several years and numerous letters


My personal opinion, whoever Zodiac was, that was his real everyday writing. You can't write a letter several pages long and disguise your writing every step of the way.

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:25 am
by Zresearch
morf13 wrote:
Nick, no Nora wrote:How many other POIs have a verifiable history of both code writing and writing poetry?


And can be placed in the RCC library.? And look identical to the sketch? :?:


Placed in the library?

Could you please elaborate?

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:24 am
by CuriousCat
Zresearch wrote:
morf13 wrote:
Nick, no Nora wrote:How many other POIs have a verifiable history of both code writing and writing poetry?


And can be placed in the RCC library.? And look identical to the sketch? :?:


Placed in the library?

Could you please elaborate?


There's nothing placing Ross in the Library the night of the murder as far as I know, but he did work there at the time. Here's a letter from one of the ladies who worked with him, pretty interesting.


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Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:51 am
by Spiderhawk
morf13 wrote:
TomVoigt wrote:
MMSox wrote:That’d be wonderful. Unfortunately, Zodiac wasn’t stupid enough to use his everyday handwriting in Z letters.


1) How do you know
and
2) How does one magically alter their handwriting uniformly and consistently over several years and numerous letters


My personal opinion, whoever Zodiac was, that was his real everyday writing. You can't write a letter several pages long and disguise your writing every step of the way.


hi morf
I disagree. I know that's the opinion of a lot of handwriting experts but all I know from personal experience its pretty easy-ive done it no problem. But the zodiac was a creative person, codes, poetry etc, so that might have something to do with it.
plus he seemed to be a pretty cautious person, saying hed put glue on his fingertips, wearing disguises/costumes, wiping down the cab, saying he was going to disguise future murders--I just find it hard to believe someone like this, who definitely did not want to be caught, would carelessly write his letters in everyday hand.

again just my opinion and personal experience.

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:02 am
by Zresearch
CuriousCat wrote:
Zresearch wrote:"Nick, no Nora"]How many other POIs have a verifiable history of both code writing and writing poetry?


And can be placed in the RCC library.? And look identical to the sketch? :?:


Placed in the library?

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There's nothing placing Ross in the Library the night of the murder as far as I know, but he did work there at the time. Here's a letter from one of the ladies who worked with him, pretty interesting.


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Well, not just Sullivan, anybody.

As I recall library staff reported that Cheri jo was alone the night she was murdered. Nobody was seen with her anyway...

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:19 pm
by CuriousCat
Zresearch wrote:Well, not just Sullivan, anybody.

As I recall library staff reported that Cheri jo was alone the night she was murdered. Nobody was seen with her anyway...


Yes, from all indications CJ was alone that night.

What morf meant by "placed in the RCC library" was that we know Ross worked there, not that he was there that night.

AFAIK no suspect has been confirmed to have been at the library that night.

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:33 pm
by TomVoigt
Spiderhawk wrote:plus he seemed to be a pretty cautious person, saying hed put glue on his fingertips, wearing disguises/costumes, wiping down the cab, saying he was going to disguise future murders--I just find it hard to believe someone like this, who definitely did not want to be caught, would carelessly write his letters in everyday hand.


Zodiac left survivors, witnesses, footprints, palmprints, writers palmprints, tire tracks, shell casings, and probably fingerprints.

All were avoidable except perhaps the tracks.

He also chose to reveal clues about himself in more than 18 letters.

He also chose to challenge the police and public to catch him.

Cautious, you say?

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:13 am
by Nick, no Nora
monarch wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:Okay, she went to the same high school as Bates, that's certainly interesting. But what actual evidence do you have that they knew each other and were friends?


I can't remember where on this site I read that Cheri & Bonnie were close friends, I think members here were able to determine
that Cheri & Bonnie knew each other well. maybe others will chime in on that.

Also Tim and his brother Jon Sullivan graduated from Ramona high school, Tim was in Dennis Highlands graduating class of 1964
so they knew each other as well.


It's in the Katz letter. And if the Katz letter isn't credible, then what are we doing here?

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:22 am
by Nick, no Nora
I found a cool stat on the poetry question. So in 1967, according to a story in Inside Higher Education magazine, 17.2 percent of college students were Humanities majors of some sort. Not even necessarily English majors. Just humanities majors. So if all of them wrote poetry, you would expect to find, out of 80 college-educated people, 13.6 people who wrote poetry. And obviously not every Humanities major wrote poetry. (Nor are all the men in the diary necessarily college-educated).

So most likely we're under 10 pretty quickly, just by using poetry writing. Much less codes.

And judging by the desktop poem, Zodiac was actually a reasonably talented poet, I would say. As was Ross, presumably.

Re: Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:23 am
by Tahoe27
What other poetry besides that?