Ross Sullivan

[AK Wilks]

Ok, good, so this states that Timothy Sullivan married a woman named Bonnie, I can't make out the last name. I take it this Bonnie attended the Riverside Community College, in the relevant time period, and there is proof of that? Is there proof that she actually knew Cheri Jo Bates? Any witnesses or other evidence that shows Ross Sullivan actually knew Cheri Jo Bates?

In what year did the wedding take place, I can't read it on the document?

[monarch]

Re: Ross Sullivan

Post by AK Wilks » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:06 pm

Well, it all depends on who the source of that information is and how much it's backed up. Who is reporting that information? Who is stating that they think they saw Cheri Jo Bates and Ross Sullivan together at the same wedding? Weddings are among the most photographed events on the planet Earth. Do we have a marriage certificate showing this alleged marriage actually happened? Do we have photographs of the wedding? Verified proof from credible sources that Bates and Sullivan attended the same wedding, and that if they did, they actually knew each other?

I'd remain very skeptical of all such unsourced unverified reporting, until the facts are established back it up. I've heard dozens of such rumors about dozens of different suspects over the years, that they had close connections or personally new Darlene, Paul or different victims. None of it was ever established.

I agree AK.....I have heard that Ross's brother married Cheri Jo's friend and that Ross was at the wedding, but I have never seen that substantiated. Confirmation of that would lend to more circumstantial evidence toward Cheri's killer. As for Ross being the Zodiac, I see the biggest obstacle is actually tying him to SF / Vallejo, etc....

We know Cheri Jo Traveled to San Francisco to visit her boyfriend/fiancee Dennis Highland at about the time that Bonnie & Tim
were married but no one has been able to determine if Cheri Jo did or did not attend their wedding.

it would seem likely that would be part of the reason why Cheri Jo went to SF to see her boyfriend near that time frame but we
don't have verification.

[monarch]

Ok, good, so this states that Timothy Sullivan married a woman named Bonnie, I can't make out the last name. I take it this Bonnie attended the Riverside Community College, in the relevant time period, and there is proof of that? Is there proof that she actually knew Cheri Jo Bates? Any witnesses or other evidence that shows Ross Sullivan actually knew Cheri Jo Bates?

In what year did the wedding take place, I can't read it on the document?

The bride's name is Bonnie Bartlett she went to high school with Cheri Jo and apparently were close friends, their photos can be seen
at classmates.com in the 1966 Ramona high yearbook.

Morf has tried to contact Bonnie but apparently she doesn't want to talk about it. (makes one wonder why ?)

I did not see a date on that license.

[AK Wilks]

Okay, she went to the same high school as Bates, that's certainly interesting. But what actual evidence do you have that they knew each other and were friends?

[monarch]

Okay, she went to the same high school as Bates, that's certainly interesting. But what actual evidence do you have that they knew each other and were friends?

I can't remember where on this site I read that Cheri & Bonnie were close friends, I think members here were able to determine
that Cheri & Bonnie knew each other well. maybe others will chime in on that.

Also Tim and his brother Jon Sullivan graduated from Ramona high school, Tim was in Dennis Highlands graduating class of 1964
so they knew each other as well.

[MMSox]

Other than Hams yearbook ross writings-have there been any other known ross writing that matches the zodiacs?

What writing from the yearbook matches Zodiac?

You mean the individual letters?

That's insignificant.

"Writing" needs to be entire words and sentences.

Document examiners don't base conclusions simply on individual letters of the alphabet, for good reason.

That’d be wonderful. Unfortunately, Zodiac wasn’t stupid enough to use his everyday handwriting in Z letters.

[TomVoigt]

That’d be wonderful. Unfortunately, Zodiac wasn’t stupid enough to use his everyday handwriting in Z letters.

1) How do you know
and
2) How does one magically alter their handwriting uniformly and consistently over several years and numerous letters

[CuriousCat]

OK, here is the post about Cheri Jo being good friends with the woman who Married Ross Sullivan's brother. Looks like Morf did post it originally, but he got it from Tom Voight.

The post in it's entirety...

I just wanted to pass along an email that Tom V shared with me, from Gerlad Katz, who was the source of aot of the details we have about Ross;

I knew Ross, his brother Tim was one of my best friends. Tim was the
one who confirmed my suspicions that Ross killed Cheri Jo Bates.
Tim's girlfriend ( and later wife) Bonnie Bartlett was a good
friend of Cheri Jo at Ramona High School and were both involved in
some student activities and debate club. I also knew Tim's
brother John Sullivan who was on the debate team a year ahead of me.
When Tim and I were senior Bonnie and Cheri Koch were juniors. After
graduating in 1964 I meet Ross. He was quite heavy and was very
intimidating, but seemed very clever and dabbled in art and poetry. I
once went out with a girl he was interested in and he got extremely
angry at me. I have never really been as frightened of anyone as I was
when he looked at me with such anger and jealousy in his eyes.
I was at a mutual friend's home, Noelle Jette, shortly after
Cheri Jo's murder. Ross had been staying there for a while before.
I saw on the porch fresh hides that Noelle said were from sheep that
Ross had killed and skinned. This was very creepy and she said the
police had come by to ask questions about Ross after the murder.
It was a few years later when Tim had come down from Canada that he
told me about his conviction that Ross not only killed Cheri Jo but
was the Zodiac killer. He said that Ross after leaving Riverside went
up to Santa Cruz and the bay area where he was committed to mental
institutions on and off and while out of care would commit the
murders. Tim said that after Ross died the Zodiac killings
stopped. Tim passed away not long after his visit and I don't
know whether Bonnie stayed in Canada or came back to the U.S..
I saw some of the pictures of Ross that had recently been posted snd
and the one where he is heaviest is how I remember him. May all rest
in peace.

One thing I notice, they say Ross was quite heavy,and that Gerald Katz remembers him as he appears in ths photos-I dont know about anybody else, but he doesnt look that big( I wish I was that weight again ) Maybe we are thinking of today's standards of being overweight or obese, since it is common today. Maybe back then, guys in the mid 200's, or higher,were just not that common, and to a skinny person, might have been "very heavy". I am going to try and get Ross's autopsy report.

Link>> viewtopic.php?p=15908#p15908


Doesn't say anything about Ross and CJB being at the wedding. I'll see if I can find anything on that, it might have just been speculated they were both at the wedding.

[doranchak]

A copy of Tim & Bonnie's marriage license.
This has been posted on this site before but I can't find the thread so I uploaded this from my files.
Sorry for the poor quality but this site only allows files up to 256 KB to be uploaded.
Maybe a Mod can find the original file ?

It is in the timeline of primary sources: http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/ind ... s_Sullivan

Scroll down to "1966-10-06: Tim Sullivan's marriage certificate"

[morf13]

How many other POIs have a verifiable history of both code writing and writing poetry?

And can be placed in the RCC library.? And look identical to the sketch?