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Posted: **Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:50 pm**

AK Wilks wrote:In some good news, ...

...the Zodiac Killer/Domingos-Edwards murderer has been mentioned as a suspect(s) in the Ohio Bricca family murders of Sept. 27, 1966, based in large part on information I provided. The Bricca Murders fall into an incredible series of horrorific killings that happened in the fall of 1966 : Valerie Percy, Chicago area, September 18 1966; Bricca Cincinnati area September 25 or 27 1966, Sims Florida October 1966, Cheri Bates California October 30 1966. (Also looking at the Robison murders, Michigan, June 1968, with the tipster/killer calling himself ZODIUS and bodies stacked).

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play ... ?wpid=5435

There was some confusion when the detectives noted the similarity of bound male and female bodies placed atop each other in the Bricca case as being similar to the Zodiac Killer. In fact they were referring specifically to the possible Zodiac crime of the Domingos-Edwards murders. I did explain, briefly, the evidence both for and against the Zodiac being responsible for this case, I think the detectives just adopted a shorthand of considering it a Zodiac case for purposes of comparison. Thanks to duckking2001 for clearing up the confusion over at http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com .

The detectives also noted similarities that do pertain to a confirmed Zodiac case which also involved a knife attack on and a male - female being bound, with the female likely ordered to tie the male, and it happened to Hartnell and Sheperd on September 27, 1969, which is exactly three years after the Bricca bodies were found on September 27, 1966.

Based on evidence and information I provided, and other supporting evidence that they found, the Zodiac Killer/Domingos - Edwards murderer have been mentioned by police there as a suspect(s) in the Bricca Family Murder Case of September 27th, 1966. They are also open to possible ties to the nearby September 18, 1966 murder of Valerie Percy and the later similar MO of the California murders of the EAR/ONS Golden State Killer.

Work on the case continues and I applaud the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department, the Ohio Attorney General and the FBI for keeping an open mind and not giving up.

Work continues on these murders which happened in the Woodhaven subdivision.

The Hamilton County Coroner has sent recovered DNA to the FBI.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/cor ... ricca-case

The Robison Family was brutally killed on 6-25-68, near Good Hart, in Blisswood, Michigan, near the shores of Lake Michigan.

New info: Three pubic hairs were found on the body of Shirley Robison, they did NOT match prime suspect Joe Scolaro nor any member of the family.

For the first time to my eyes, actual handwriting from the killer of the Robison Family. This note was put on the cabin to deter neighbors. It had to have been done by the killer.

Compare the writing on the questioned origin envelope in the Bates case and on the cabin note.

The famous cartoony "P" on the Riverside envelope from 1966 (and never seen by the public until decades later) looks IMO very similar to the half completed "B" on the cabin note!

Any other similiarities or differences to this or other possible or confirmed Zodiac writing or writing from another case?

As you can see above, I said it was half completed B in my post. It looks unusual like the P.

Some of my info is from communication with persons involved in these cases.

But the basic info on the pubic hairs is at www.unsolvedhomicide.com .

I know this a lot of material, but all I can say is police have named Zodiac as a suspect in the Bricca murders, and he is being looked at in some of these other cases like Percy and Robison, and some of the evidence is quite impressive IMO.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:36 pm**

Will give this a closer read AK, one thing I see to start, you're comparing that letter in the Percy case to the letter in the Bates case,(the big P),which I strongly believe WAS written by the real Patricia Hautz.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:11 pm**

Thanks AK. I will look through my detective magazines and see if I can find an article about Jane Britton's murder. Hopefully there will be one, we've had good luck with other murders you've been looking into, especially fortuitous was coming up with a picture of the Piercy knife.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:42 pm**

Thanks Morf and Seagull. I just noted in passing the similarity between the Robison note and the Riverside envelope I now don't think it is likely important. I do think it is important that the Robison killer called himself ZODIUS in the summer of 1968.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:29 pm**

Very interesting AK.

It's so horrifying to see the list of those young women. It's almost more bearable to think it was one person, rather than having that many psycho killers on the loose.

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:19 pm**

AK WILKS: Yes if Zodiac was alluding to prior murders there is the quite amazing circumstances surrounding the 6/25/68 murders of the Robison family in Blisswood, Michigan.

In that case we have messages to the newspaper from ZODIUS, a mysterious San Francisco man named ROEBERT who underlines the EBE in his name, and murders in EMMET County.

In the 12/20/68 murders of Faraday and Jensen, followed by the San Francisco area murders of Darlene Ferrin, Celia Shepard and Paul Stine, we have messages to the newspaper from ZODIAC, and the last line in a coded message that reads:

EBEORIETEMETHHPITI

Which contains EBE, and ROEBE, and EMET.

Posted: **Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:42 pm**

Thanks very much Trav for taking a look at this and giving your thoughts.

"Anthropolgy Dept" seems right and Jane Britton was in fact a student in that department.

"Solomon" seems right I thought maybe the next word was "Islands", you suggest "Forde", which looks closer I admit, but what does it mean?

You suggest "Everyone Love" which is the best guess so far, and I never "saw" it until you suggested it! Unless the last part is not "Love" but something like 2056. Or 205G.

The last line looks like symbols to me, maybe code?

= - <> K ;

The prior Boston murder of Beverly Samans had coded messages at the scene, including codes done in musical notes, as Harvard student Ted Kaczynski did.

VERY INTERESTING THING TRAV MENTIONED TO ME IN A PM: There are numerous reports that Beverly Samans, killed 5/7/63 in Boston, was stabbed 18 times in a BULLSEYE pattern. Both Trav and I wondered if this could mean a patern like the Zodiac symbol. I later found the patter described as "circular" meaning a circle within a circle centered on a breast. So perhaps more like a dartboard pattern than the Zodiac + over a circle.

Yet both the Zodiac symbol and the Samans stab wound pattern have circles and both are used to designate a target.

Posted: **Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:54 pm**

I now don't believe Ted had anything to do with the Percy case.

I've been reading Sympathy Vote by Glen Wall. http://www.amazon.com/Sympathy-Vote-Rei ... B00GDIX2JY He makes a very convincing case pointing to a local suspect, William Thoresen , III who, it seems, was a complete nutjob growing up, breaking into neighbour's houses many times. In brief, and copied from Websleuths:

In 1965, WT's brother suffered a mysterious death which remains unsolved.
WT's wife is quoted as saying WT admitted to her that he killed his brother.
WT, himself, died in 1970 of gunshot wounds inflicted by his wife. A jury declared the shooting self-defense
A bayonet is believed to be the weapon that killed VP. ("A discarded one was found in Lake Michigan soon after.")
WT was arrested with 70+ tons of military weapons (including bayonets) six months after VP's murder.
VP's mother described the man she saw leaning over VP's bed as a dark-haired Caucasian, which fits WT.
His sources include WT's neighbors and classmates.
He wasn't allowed access to the full police file, and firmly believes LE is "sitting on information".
"...Glenn Wall hopes that Silent Vote is a catalyst for solving the horrible crime."
"'From what I've heard, readers who are into cold cases are buying the book', he said."

There is just too much there that points to this man who, surprisingly, hadn't surfaced in any previous mention of the Percy killing. The book is one of the better of its genre, well written and researched.

Already I don't think Ted or Z had anything to do with the Robison murders, or that of Betsy Aardsma. Which leads me to the Bricca case.

I don't believe for one moment that the local suspect named in Queen City Gothic (about whom the author was very sure) is guilty; it just doesn't add up for me. But I also don't believe that the killers of Percy and Bricca are one and the same. If it was Ted (and he didn't commit Percy), why start in Cincinnati? He would have had to thoroughly research his victims - or know them somehow - and made lengthy plans beforehand, but that doesn't make sense, either, so I don't believe Ted is responsible; the evidence just isn't there. Perhaps one day a new suspect will emerge or there will be a death-bed type confession that finally throws light on the Bricca case.

The Sims case is in the same category as Bricca - horrific and unsolved with no real suspect.

Posted: **Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:36 am**

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 60,5846339

Thanks for posting that information. I will order and read this book about Percy and the possibility of Thoresen as a suspect. He is definitely worth looking into. You outline the main reasons for looking into him. He was a gun nut with a violent temper. There are problems with him as a suspect as well.

Both Sharon Bubes and Mrs. Percy described the intruder as 5'8", 160 pounds and 17 years old. Thoresen would have been 28 years old in 1966. To me that is a major problem, as they describe the age and build of a teenager, not a man. And Thoresen does look somewhat like the skecth/not like the sketch, but very different facial structure, while Ted K matches the build and looks so much like the sketch its eerie.

thoresen.jpg

Thoresen was a gun nut. He had hundreds of rifles, machine guns, cannons. He also had some daggers and bayonets. But I would have picked him as more likely to kill with a gun than a blade.

He did have a history of violence, mostly with people in random encounters who irritated him, or towards family members. No history of breaking into houses to do violence on a stranger.

There is no evidence he killed his brother or anyone, just the statement of his wife that he confessed to killing his brother, which is self serving, as she shot Thoresen and pleaded self defense.

No evidence he knew Percy or had a motive. Ted K in the weeks before her death said he was "born again" and now ready to really kill everyone he hated, including "businessmen" and "college students". Mr. Percy was a succesful businessman of a tech company, running for senate, and Valerie was a college student.

He had a house in California at the time, while his parents lived not far from the Percy estate. Was he documented as in Illinois when it happened?

I agree with you about the local suspect in the Bricca case. I don't think he did it.

What puzzles me is that in a ONE MONTH PERIOD you have this incredible explosion of violence - home invasion of Percy estate Valerie killed, one week later Bricca family killed, one month later Sims family killed, one week later Cheri Bates killed.

Valerie Percy Illinois 9/18/66, Bricca Family Ohio 9/27/66, Robison Family Michigan 6/25/68. Murder of Dr. Sims, one of the nation's top computer experts, and his family, in Florida on 10/22/66, probable Zodiac victim Cheri Jo Bates in California on 10/30/66, Betsy Aardsma in Pennsylvania on 11/28/69, Joan Webster 11/28/81.

There are major MO and other links between the cases.

Following up on evidence I gave them, the Ohio police seem to have found some kind of link between the Bricca case and Zodiac.

I think Zodiac in general and Ted K in particular are good suspects for some or all of these cases. I am open to other suspects, but in all these cases, until Thoresen emerged now, there were not really any good suspects.

Posted: **Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:12 pm**

I have tons of stuff on William Thoresen and do think he is a viable suspect in Percy's murder. Thanks for the heads up on the book by Glenn Wall, Dreamnine. I, too, will be getting it.

AK, what makes it believable that Thoresen killed his brother is that the hitman he hired to do the job was killed by Thoresen soon after. I will go through my stuff and lay out my thoughts a bit better.

If you can find the book "It Gave Everybody Something to Do" by Louise Thoresen with EM Nathanson, get it. William's timeline can be pretty well determined from the info in the book.

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