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Just a head's up, there is a TEDK documentary on CNN tonight, starting at 9pm eastern

From http://www.zodiackiller.com/SuspectKaczynski.html:

Criteria used to eliminate Kaczynski as a Zodiac suspect were fingerprint comparison, handwriting comparison and the placement of Kaczynski away from California on five Zodiac dates of activity

What do you make of that statement?

morf13 wrote:Just a head's up, there is a TEDK documentary on CNN tonight, starting at 9pm eastern

Thanks Morf. I was still Rose Bowling! Anyone catch this? Anything new?

doranchak wrote:From http://www.zodiackiller.com/SuspectKaczynski.html:

Criteria used to eliminate Kaczynski as a Zodiac suspect were fingerprint comparison, handwriting comparison and the placement of Kaczynski away from California on five Zodiac dates of activity

What do you make of that statement?

For $500 you could get a certified "document examiner" to rule in or out Ted Kaczynski, Jack Tarrance or most anyone else, depending on what you are looking for. The questions should be who is the examiner? How long have they been an examiner? Are they a court certified expert? What is their training? What significant cases have they done and been proven right? Or wrong? What materials did they have access to to make the comparison? Do they have a bias for or against a suspect?

In 1996 an SFPD handwriting person, whose credentials and training I do not know, took a very brief look at Zodiac and Kaczynski, but not having all of the Kaczynski writing that we have today.

The handwriting "expert" did not have much of Ted's writing like we do now, but even so, while he could not declare a match he said Ted Kaczynski could NOT be ruled out as the author of the Zodiac letters. Allen and all other suspects were ruled out. And so called "experts" aside, anyone can see that there are incredible similarities between the handwriting of Zodiac and that of Ted Kaczynski.

Every so often someone brings up the fact that they have heard that Kaczynski has been "cleared" of the Zodiac crimes. Nobody can produce a quote from the SFPD or FBI officially "clearing" him. But people often refer to this entry on the Tom Voigt website:

The convicted "Unabomber", Kaczynski shares certain characteristics with the Zodiac killer:

1) Kaczynski lived in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 1960s.
2) Kaczynski exhibited the ability to construct bombs.
3) Kaczynski communicated with the news media after committing murderous acts.

While compelling, I believe these similarities are simply the result of an imitative Kaczynski being heavily influenced by Zodiac. Additionally, Kaczynski was cleared of any involvement in the Zodiac crimes by both the FBI and the San Francisco Police Department. (Criteria used to eliminate Kaczynski as a Zodiac suspect were fingerprint comparison, handwriting comparison and the placement of Kaczynski away from California on five Zodiac dates of activity.)

AK - What is the truth?

First of all, we should remember that Gary Ridgway was officially cleared of being the Green River Killer...years before DNA proved he WAS the Green River Killer!

Police and the FBI are not infalliable.

Secondly, you can find all kind of things on the internet - doesn't mean they are true.

That site is run by Voigt, and while he has made significant contributions to the case in the past, he now IMO tends to promotes his POI Gaikowski and distort information about other suspects.

Ted's fingerprints were only compared to those found in the cab, which many doubt Zodiac left his prints in. Allen's prints didn't match the cab prints either, yet police still got three search warrants for him.

The handwriting issue is dealt with above.

The dates away nonsense comes from Ted's brother David.

Ted Kaczynski has a new published book out called "Road to Revolution" aka "Technological Slavery". It has many Ted essays on technology and some interviews. As you know, Dave Kaczynski has stated his memory that Ted left California after quitting Berkeley and starting in the fall and/or winter of 1969, primarily stayed on and off with his parents in Illinois for two years, with some trips out west to look for land.

If true, this would present, not insurmountable, but very serious issues for Ted being Z. It would create the same problem you have with Gaikowski being in Albany NY at the time of the Bates murder and letters - the suspect would have to be repeatedly traveling across country to do it.

The possibilities:

1. Dave is right and Ted is not Z

2. Dave is right and Ted was Z, and did travel long distances across the country, as he did when he was the Unabomber.

3. Dave is intentionally covering up for Ted being Z.

4.(Most likely) In trying to remember events of 25 years ago, when Dave was in fact a student at Columbia in New York, and for which Dave himself often says his memory is "hazy", "vague", "dream like", "not sure", etc., he simple got it wrong, and in fact other than a brief holiday visit or two, Ted did NOT spend any significant length of time in Illinois during the key 1969 to 1971 time period when there was a lot of Z activity.

Now I found (and others might have found it before me I don't know) a reference in Ted's psych report where the shrink, reporting what Ted is telling her, says that after leaving Berkeley in June 1969 Ted "spent approximately two years trying to locate wilderness land out west."

So if that apparent statement from Ted (through the shrink) is correct, than Dave is wrong, and there is not a major timeline conflict for 69 to 71. It doesn't PROVE that Ted was in California, but as we know he was looking for land in the Montana area, and according to Dave, Canada and northern California, it certainly puts him within a one day driving distance of California if not always in California itself for the Zodiac murders and mailings from Fall 69 through Fall 70.

And a while back Doug Oswell found this significant bit of information: In the interview in the new book "Road to Revolution", Ted in fact directly says that he didn't go back to Illinois after leaving Berkeley until the winter of 70-71, and he just spent the winter of 1970-1971 in Illinois. This actually matches a lull period in Z activity. So to me this is a significant find, confirmation of the psych report, and effectively refutes the second hand knowledge "vague, dream like" memory of Dave.

Meaning there is no evidence Kaczynski was "away from California" on 5 key dates of Zodiac activity.

To me the shared word/phrase usage and the handwriting matches are incredible.

Gary Greenberg noted that Ted Kaczynski would often sign his letters with a large "Z" underneath the signature. He wondered if this was like a "Mark of Zorro". I have never seen anything to indicate Kaczynski would have been a fan of those old adventure films. Ted also told a psychiatrist he had an "obssession" with a "Ms. Z" during his gradute school years, though no evidence suggests he had a relationship with any woman, let alone one woth a last name starting with a "Z". Was "Ms. Z" his codeword for Zodiac? Ted also spraypainted a Yggdrasil symbol, also known as the Algiz Rune, at the campus of a target. The Algiz Rune translates to English as the letter "Z". In a yearbook Ted indicated his "mark" was two crossed lines inside a circle, suggesting a rough early prototype of the Zodiac symbol. Is the large "Z" under his name meant to conjure up Zodiac?




Zodiac often but not always did a 3 stroke "k", Kaczynski often but not always did a 3 stroke "k". Zodiac often did a 5 stroke "m", same as Ted. Other matches include the checkmark "r", short caps and bottom on the capital "I" and frequent cursive looped back on the "d". Look at Ted's "k" in "Park" - a clear 3 stroke. Morrill said few people in the general population do 3 stroke "k" or 5 stroke "m" so those would be things he would look for. I also blew up the Ted letter to the boy.

GRAPHICS AND RESEARCH BY AK WILKS AND AWESHUCKS - A HANDWRITING COMPARISON - ZODIAC AND KACZYNSKI





From Doug Oswell, the Application Bio by Kaczynski to the U Cal Berkeley, December 1966.

The writing looks particularly Zodiac like to me, compare it to the Belli letter.

If Ted were the Zodiac killer, why as an educated man who had no problem spelling correctly choose to misspell words in the Zodiac letters?
You show correctly spelled words of Ted's in comparison to Zodiac's misspelled words. Also, I'm sure you have commented on this, but TK is a good Zodiac
suspect, have you made efforts to talk with Ted directly AK, have you written letters, etc. to him?

As the Unabomber Ted did not want to be identified as a genius level college grad and PHD.

He once said in a Unanomber letter that while a writer had said any college educated person could learn to use a computer "what about the rest of us?". He also said in another letter "you people with advanced degrees aren't very smart." The FBI profile on the Unabomber was that he was a non college educated blue collar laid off airline mechanic.

As Zodiac Ted employed similar methods including wrongly spelled words and incorrect grammar.

Doug wrote a letter to Ted asking for alibis for Zodiac murder dates and got no response. Ted claimed Allen was the Zodiac.

I agree that we need to figure out the sources for these "official" dismissals of Kaczynski as a suspect. Graysmith makes similar blanket dismissals without referencing a source. I'm very curious what the official sources say.

AK Wilks wrote: The handwriting "expert" did not have much of Ted's writing, but even so, while he could not declare a match he said Ted Kaczynski could NOT be ruled out as the author of the Zodiac letters

Who was that? Do you have a source?

We will never solve this case based on handwriting, at least handwriting alone.
I'm guessing that none of Ted's fingerprints matched what SFDP or the CA DOJ or the FBI has for Zodiac, which is not saying much, as there are no definitive prints.
I'm also guessing the authorities absolutely have some of Ted's DNA on file, easily collected from drinking vessels in prison. And I'm guessing that this DNA is not a
match to whatever SFPD has in terms of Zodiac DNA. Which is also sketchy and partial last time I checked.
I would personally reach out to Ted, AK, and create a repoire with him to see if he will tell you his story. What does he have to lose? A confession would be a good way to solve the Zodiac murders. Don't bother with his brother, as his brother must protect Ted.

OWK - From Ted's perspective he has a lot to lose. His dream was to be a revolutionary. He is treated as a hero by some in the radical environmental and primitivist anarchist movements. He has fans in academia. His crimes such as blowing up logging executives and bombing tech targets have resulted in some treating him as a political terrorist. He loves it. His articles are read and debated. He has fans and followers.

He will never admit he was Zodiac, a sexually frustrated psychopath who gunned down teens in lover lanes. If he is exposed as Zodiac he would likely lose some of his idiot followers who see him as a hero.

Doug wrote to Ted and asked for alibis and Ted did not respond. Another writer told Doug that Ted's lawyer said that they "could not" provide alibis for Zodiac crimes. Not that they "would not" but that they "could not".

doranchak wrote:I agree that we need to figure out the sources for these "official" dismissals of Kaczynski as a suspect. Graysmith makes similar blanket dismissals without referencing a source. I'm very curious what the official sources say.

AK Wilks wrote: The handwriting "expert" did not have much of Ted's writing, but even so, while he could not declare a match he said Ted Kaczynski could NOT be ruled out as the author of the Zodiac letters

Who was that? Do you have a source?

http://www.unazod.com/essay1.html

I don't have the name of the person who worked for or was hired by SFPD. I don't know their credentials, if any. I do know they did not have much of Ted's writing at that point, and probably none of his pre-1968 writing i.e. pre-Zodiac.

The statement that Ted could "not be ruled in or out" is pretty equivocal. Others like Allen were ruled out period. And the statement that no "significant evidence" showed Ted wrote the Zodiac letters is also strange. Does that mean that "some" evidence showed he did or "moderate" evidence showed he did?

The statement that Ted was put of state for 5 Zodiac murders or mailings is absolutely false as I showed above.

In the past few years persons in law enforcement have tried to get Ted's DNA, including writing to the federal prison, so Ted is not "cleared" as far as they are concerned.