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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:40 am
by Holmes201
Thanks Margie, I wasn't able to do that with the picture. That's the main gate at Harvard. They have 25 gates in total but the main gate has the circle and cross. Ted Kaczynski would've walked through that gate quite often and it's quite a thing to see.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:30 am
by Daxide
The shape of the Tylenol suspect's shoulders and TK's look extremely similar. They both have a slightly rounded, and highly bent down ( like this /\), curved shape.
Compare the peculiar shape of the Tylenol Killer ( https://i.redd.it/hey1pseddyo01.png )to Tk's, especially the shoulders.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:55 am
by AK Wilks
Shaqmeister - No problem, glad you found the information helpful.


Daxide - Interesting observation. I think there is something to it.

Other observable similarities I have noted include affect and demeanor, flat hair on sides, general shape of head, large forehead, nose, black beard with whiteness at bottom center. A lens flare creates the appearance of a more reseeding hairline. But TK also used make up and disguises to appear different, so he could have shaved his hair a little to appear older and different.

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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:08 am
by AK Wilks
Suspect in Tylenol Murders and Ted Kaczynski

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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:09 am
by Claypooles
It's crazy to think TK wouldn't even disguise his writing in his letters to the press as the Zodiac killer! But it's all there! Unfortunately, he has no good reason to admit he was Z, rather the opposite :?

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:18 am
by jacob
Claypooles wrote:It's crazy to think TK wouldn't even disguise his writing in his letters to the press as the Zodiac killer! But it's all there! Unfortunately, he has no good reason to admit he was Z, rather the opposite :?


Ted leads a miserable life in an ultra-max security prison. The promise of a better life might compel him to confess, though given the gravity of the Unabomber crimes I doubt the authorities would permit this.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:28 pm
by AK Wilks
Spiderhawk wrote:ted couldn't have been the zodiac. totally different kind of serial killer. Z is a thrill killer with hatred of women and couples and likes to get up close and personal. Ted is a mission oriented serial killer who kills from afar with bombs and whos victims are totally different.
all the circumstantial evidence and apparent similarities is superfluous.

different victimology
different motivation
different weapon
different serial killer type

totally different animal.


What you stated is the common perception of Ted K, and I would say the common misperception of Ted K. Here are the documented facts. Keep in mind that three of the four confirmed Zodiac attacks are on male - female couples. Two of these attacks are in known "lovers lanes", isolated spots where couples would park for sex, and one was on a couple on a blanket by a lake.

In the late summer of 1966, most likely late August/early September 1966, in his journal Ted Kaczynski records a break through moment in his life. He is a genius, yet socially alienated and isolated. A graduate student at the University of Michigan, his room is next to rooms occupied by the players on the U of M hockey team. He describes hearing loud parties with a lot of drinking and yelling. Ted has a lifelong over sensitivity to loud noises. He also describes frequently hearing the sound of couples having sex in the apartment next door to his, and he reports being driven "mad" by these sounds and says it fills him with frustration and anger. Out of despair and self described "acute sexual starvation", he records in his journal that instead of killing himself he will "really kill everyone I hate."

The people he says he hates and wants to kill are many, but they include two distinct groups. One group is what he calls "bigshots" or "government officials", and these include "scientists", "big businessmen", "politicians" and "police".

The other group of people he hated and wanted to kill included love making "couples", "rowdy college students" and those college men and especially women he deems "promiscuous", who are nothing but "animals" and "pigs". Look at the government psychiatric report on Kaczynski done after he was arrested for the Unabomber crimes:

In the summer after his fourth year [of graduate school, the summer of 1966], he describes experiencing a period of several weeks where he was sexually excited nearly all the time and was fantasizing himself as a woman and being unable to obtain any sexual relief. He decided to make an effort to have a sex change operation. When he returned to the University of Michigan [most likely in late August or early September 1966] he made an appointment to see a psychiatrist to be examined to determine if the sex change would be good for him. He claimed that by putting on an act he could con the psychiatrist into thinking him suitable for a feminine role even though his motive was exclusively erotic. As he was sitting in the waiting room, he turned completely against the idea of the operation and thus, when he saw the doctor, instead claimed he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted. He describes the following:

"As I walked away from the building afterwards, I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do and I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope. I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. I felt I wouldn't care if I died. And so I said to myself why not really kill the psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate. What is important is not the words that ran through my mind but the way I felt about them. What was entirely new was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone. My very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life an do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal." [Psych Report] {Emphasis added}

That happened sometime in the summer of 1966, most likely in late August/early September 1966. About two and a half weeks later, minutes away from the area of the Kaczynski family home, the suburban Chicago mansion of high tech business CEO and politician Charles Percy is invaded and his college student daughter Valerie is killed by a brutal hammer and knife attack. Hours away in Suburban Cincinnati, on September 27, 1966, Monsanto chemical engineer Gerry Bricca, his wife and daughter are bound and killed in a knife attack. Based on information I provided them, the Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski are Persons of Interest in the unsolved crime, and the police officially announced that the Zodiac Killer was a suspect in a press release they issued.

On October 30, 1966, when evidence shows Ted Kaczynski is in California for a job interview, the first probable Zodiac crime, the knife murder of college student Cheri Jo Bates occurs outside of a college library, within one day of a major fall holiday. By virtue of a witness picking him out of a photo lineup, Ted Kaczynski is placed at the scene of a college library knife murder that occurred within one day of a major fall holiday in November 1969.

His first confirmed Unabomber crime was in 1978, when he was 36 years old. Yet we know from research that the most active and violent period for the majority of serial killers is from their late teens to late twenties. And we see that Kaczynski reports the motivation, desire and ability to kill at least as early as the late summer of 1966, when he was 24 years old.

In 1971, Ted records that he has already "violently rebelled" against society. In the journal that records his Unabomber crimes, including murders done by bombs, in light of the fact that some in the radical environmental, anti - technology and primitivist anarchist movements are regarding the Unabomber attacks against corporations as heroic, he reports that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been "buried" or "burned", because their revelation to the public would be "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad public relations at this point in time".



Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:21 am
by Daxide
AK Wilks wrote:Shaqmeister - No problem, glad you found the information helpful.


Daxide - Interesting observation. I think there is something to it.

Other observable similarities I have noted include affect and demeanor, flat hair on sides, general shape of head, large forehead, nose, black beard with whiteness at bottom center. A lens flare creates the appearance of a more reseeding hairline. But TK also used make up and disguises to appear different, so he could have shaved his hair a little to appear older and different.

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They do look extremely similar. I wonder if with some software or A.I. it would be possible to compute a similarity coefficient of the two people?

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:33 am
by snooter
TK i highly doubt would have ever applied at a community college...there is nothing that ties TK to CJB....short of the actual application to RCC i will consider this theoretical discussion material and as we know "all theories are gray my friend"...credit to Johann Goethe

CJB dosent even have the smell (but possibly a whiff) of TK to me...CJB and Stein does not fit the MO of TK in my investagory opinion...but and there is always a but..it does raise an eyebrow by use of the knifing (in regards to CJB) and the rage (TK took rage to a whole other level) the killer seems to have experienced...

"RH" seems to me, to may have been a student in legal studies at the college...SCOTUS will use initials when a minor is listed as defendant or respondant..the unknown author of the desk poem would have been aware of such if he (or SHE) was enrolled in any pre law or orther legal studies course(s)...but again "all theories are gray my friend"

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:06 pm
by Quicktrader
The guys in the supermarket are not Ted Kaczynski, imo.

One guy with the wig has a very distinctively hooked nose. At least I think the blonde is a man with a wig or is it Paula Prince? I see a man wearing a wig...

The second, bit similar to Ted, however has a large receding hairline, which Ted hadn't either, not even on the day of his arrest. 100% sure Ted is not on this picture. Also, Ted was acting alone.

QT