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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:28 pm
by Jelberg
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both published in 1969

maybe there is something in his math publications that could be of use? Riemann surface?

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:43 am
by Daxide
AK Wilks wrote:Yes I think Zodiac did have a thing for anniversaries and remembering specific dates. Almost every single point in the Zodiac case can and has been debated. But I think a majority of Zodiac researchers would agree that he seemed to recognize anniversaries of significant events.

Maybe others can chime in here and give more examples of other incidents of anniversaries recognized and/or weigh-in in favor of or against that theory. Just off the top of my head I can think of the following instances of Zodiac seeming to commemorate an anniversary:

1. Bates confession letter received on roughly one month anniversary of Bates murder.

2. The "Bates had to die" letters sent on the six-month anniversary of the Bates murder.

3. Letter to Belli sent on 12/20/69, the one-year anniversary of the murder of Faraday and Jensen on 12/20/68.

4. The "Peek through the Pines" card, generally thought to give clues about Donna Lass, sent on the one year anniversary of the Kathleen Johns attack and roughly six months after the disappearance of Donna Lass.


In regards to the Midwest family murders and college girl murders that I have looked at Zodiac and/or Kaczynski as possibly being a suspect in, there are a number of intriguing anniversaries that seem to be noted, MO matches, fathers connected to high tech businesses and/or politics. Or could they all just be coincidences?

9/19/66: Valerie Percy killed by hammer and long knife in suburban Chicago. Father ran high tech business Bell & Howell and is Republican candidate for US Senate.

9/27/66: Bricca family bound and killed by long knife. Father works for high tech business Monsanto as a chemical engineer.

11/28/66: Bates confession letter mailed. Murder took place by short knife, within one day of a fall holiday, Halloween, and just outside a college library. A morbid poem about stabbing a girl in a red dress is written on a wood surface and signed by the initials RH. Taunting letter sent.

6/25/68: Robison family killed by gun and hammer. ZODIUS writes to newspaper, gives inside details, demands name appear. Father works for business with a high tech plan plan to expand and computerize airport services and warehouses.

9/27/69: Hartnell and Shepard bound and attacked by long knife, Shepard killed. ZODIAC writes to newspaper, gives inside details, demands name appear.

11/28/69: Betsy Aardsma, wearing a red dress, is killed by a short knife inside the college library at Penn State University. Murder takes place within one day of a fall holiday, Thanksgiving. A morbid phrase about death is written onto a wood surface and signed by the initials RSK. Taunting letter sent. In November, Zodiac claims seven victims, but in December letter said next victims would be ninth and tenth. Was Aardsma number eight?

11/28/81: Joan Webster, Harvard University student, abducted and killed in Massachusetts. Father is former high ranking CIA official who at the time was a leading executive of high tech company IT&T.

9/27/82: Seven people killed in suburban Chicago by cyanide placed in Tylenol bottles. Caused huge losses to Johnson & Johnson, some newspapers dubbed the culprit the Tylenol Terrorist and speculated that the motive could be a hatred for a high tech company involved in the prescription and over-the-counter drug business.


So, setting aside what I see are the potential similarities and matches in victims, MO, weapons, settings, etc., do the repeating dates also suggest links between these crimes and an offender like Zodiac who recognizes anniversaries?

I don't know for sure. But there 365 days in a year. So is it pure chance that four crimes occurred the day or week of September 27? Three on September 27? Two involving binding and killing couples with a long knife and two involving suburban Chicago. Or that three murders involve November 28, all involving victims who are female college students, two at or in a college library?

This is an impressive list and I have no doubt that a statistical significance test would yields extremely low odds that this is a pure coincidence.
Another fetish of both TK and Zodiac was newspapers. Both Zodiac and the Unabomber sent letters to newspapers, and TK once considered abandining his primitive lifestyle to pursue a career in journalism. Both TK and Zodiac made frequent use of public phones, and TK used the phone (in his manifesto, if I recall correctly) as an example of a good technological invention whose usefulness none can deny.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 12:57 am
by AK Wilks
Yes both The Zodiac and TJK seemed fixated on newspapers, and both demanded their words and name appear on the front pages of newspapers. That is a trait they share with Zodius, the killer of the Robison family in Michigan, who also demanded his words and his name appear in the newspaper. Another later Michigan killer also demanded his words appear on the front pages of the newspaper.

And the matches in dates seen above - the repeated instances of events occurring on September 27, November 28, etc., seems to likely be beyond coincidence. Then add in the matches in locale, MO, weapons, etc., down to morbid poems or phrases about death written on wood surfaces at or near murders happening at college libraries.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:20 am
by AK Wilks
Jelberg wrote:Image

both published in 1969

maybe there is something in his math publications that could be of use? Riemann surface?


Very interesting overlap, one of many, between the work of:

THEODORE KACZYNSKI and THE ZODIAC.

Consider the odd use of "rather messy" - appearing in a July 1969 paper by Kaczynski filled with otherwise almost indecipherable academic language, and the same phrase showing up in a November 1969 Zodiac letter.

Kaczynski = A special case of Theorem (b) was proved (in effect) in [6, proof of Theorem 6] by means of a rather messy lemma. T.J. Kaczynski. Boundary Functions and Sets of Curvilinear Convergence for Continuous Functions. Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 141 (Jul., 1969), 107-125, p. 124.

Zodiac = By the way it could be rather messy if you try to bluff me. Seven-Page Letter, Nov. 1969.

Anderson110 noted that the object of years of TJK's study, the open unit disk in a complex plane, was identical to the Zodiac symbol - both represent a + over a circle, a crosshair. Not only that, in his academic paper of 1969, as Jelberg points out, Kaczynski designates the open unit disk,the crosshair symbol, to be represented by the letter D, and in his 408 Code, Zodiac also designates the letter D to represent the crosshair symbol.

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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:35 am
by Quicktrader
No question..in mathematics, Ted Kaczynski was a genius.

QT

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:20 am
by Holmes201
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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:24 am
by Holmes201
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Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:26 pm
by TheMist
The Harvard Houses as Zodiac signs article dates from 2019. Any evidence that the concept is older?

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:37 pm
by Spiderhawk
ted couldn't have been the zodiac. totally different kind of serial killer. Z is a thrill killer with hatred of women and couples and likes to get up close and personal. Ted is a mission oriented serial killer who kills from afar with bombs and whos victims are totally different.
all the circumstantial evidence and apparent similarities is superfluous.

different victimology
different motivation
different weapon
different serial killer type

totally different animal.

Re: Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:11 am
by Claypooles
TK also hated women and couples at that time, it was said times and times again. And I dont' know how you can say circumstancial evidence and similarities are superfluous, that makes no sense at all.