Facts & Evidence - Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

[margie]

Pants are also possibly pleated and dark as well which fits in with the description. They certainly look to be dress pants-ish to me. Wish I could see his shoes!

[Jelberg]

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[margie]

Honestly I am blind from reading this sight for the last few days! Do I remember correctly that the Stine murder and the Hartnell incident BOTH gave a description of basically the same jacket? One said dark pants (Hartnell I believe) and at Stine they were rust colored pants ..... but same jacket??

[margie]

Also note that 49 years ago in the 27th week of 1969, Ted resigned from Berkeley on
Monday (6-30-69) and Friday night(7-4-69)/Saturday morning (7-5-69) of that SAME WEEK

Darlene Ferrin and Michael Mageau were gunned down at Blue Rock Springs (a 38 min drive from Kaczynski's residence). Ferrin later dying from her wounds, while Mageau survived.

At the time, the chairman of the mathematics department, J. W. Addison, called Kaczynski's resignation "sudden and unexpected"...

Yes!! TK IMO was in a whirlwind of emotions and thoughts at the time he left. I watched a documentary today that talked about how paranoid he was becoming. He would sit alone in his room and look out the window. Couples would walk by and he would see them laughing. He thought they were laughing at him. (I am paraphrasing from what his brother said on the show). The show is called "How It Really Happened". (EDITED to show the correct name of the show)

So I can absolutely imagine that TK could have eased his own pain at that time by lashing out and causing pain to others.

[AK Wilks]

Also note that 49 years ago in the 27th week of 1969, Ted resigned from Berkeley on
Monday (6-30-69) and Friday night(7-4-69)/Saturday morning (7-5-69) of that SAME WEEK

Darlene Ferrin and Michael Mageau were gunned down at Blue Rock Springs (a 38 min drive from Kaczynski's residence). Ferrin later dying from her wounds, while Mageau survived.

At the time, the chairman of the mathematics department, J. W. Addison, called Kaczynski's resignation "sudden and unexpected"...

Yes Jelberg the timing is very interesting. He makes a life altering change, leaving mathematics and quitting his job, cutting ties, now a free and independent man, and four days later two people are killed in the first crime acknowledged to be done by the Zodiac. It was the second confirmed Z crime, but it marked the birth of the Zodiac persona.

Mathematics Department Chairman Addison later commented on it: But for some reason, he grew tired of mathematics and abruptly resigned from the university on June 30, 1969, a move that was "quite out of the blue," Addison wrote to Kaczynski's thesis supervisor at the University of Michigan.

[AK Wilks]

I am sure this has been asked before .... but since I can't find it I thought that I would ask it again. Has Bryan Hartnell ever been shown this picture to see if these clothes could be a match for what Z was wearing the day of their attack?

On the huge Ross Sullivan thread there are pictures of what the Z jacket may have looked like from the descriptions that we have available.

Ted looks to be wearing a very similar jacket. This wouldn't be anything of value IMO since many people probably had a jacket like this. (Although now that I am thinking about that statement - I think that it has been mentioned several times that the clothes Z wore actually seemed a bit out of style for the time) ...

The reason that I find this picture so "important" is because I would think that Ted didn't have much of a wardrobe...yet he had a very similar Z jacket among his clothing.

Just a thought. It would be interesting to hear what Hartnell would say about this jacket that Ted is wearing.

Good observations and questions Margie. As far as I know, neither Hartnell or SFPD Officer Don Fouke have ever been shows pictures of TK to see if they can identify him as the Zodiac they saw up close and personal, be it for clothes and jacket (Hartnell) or face, hair and jacket (Fouke).

Just re-read the description that Bryan Hartnell gave regarding what Zodiac was wearing.

"...Man wore a light weight blue-black windbreaker over a reddish-black wool shirt..."

At the Stine murder scene, Zodiac was also described wearing a "dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (navy or royal blue)".



Ted did own a navy blue windbreaker and a dark blue waist length zipper jacket.






The items above fit the pattern of "Things Zodiac had that were also found in Ted Kaczynski's cabin". These include boxes of Winchester .22 Super X ammo (Zodiac used this brand and specific type of ammo at LHR 68 {and SB 63}), a gun with a flashlight strapped to the barrel (Zodiac bragged about using this method to see and shoot in the dark) and a hand made black hood with a flat top and rectangluar eye slits (Zodiac used at LB 69). Ted had all of these items in his cabin.

[margie]

I am sure this has been asked before .... but since I can't find it I thought that I would ask it again. Has Bryan Hartnell ever been shown this picture to see if these clothes could be a match for what Z was wearing the day of their attack?

On the huge Ross Sullivan thread there are pictures of what the Z jacket may have looked like from the descriptions that we have available.

Ted looks to be wearing a very similar jacket. This wouldn't be anything of value IMO since many people probably had a jacket like this. (Although now that I am thinking about that statement - I think that it has been mentioned several times that the clothes Z wore actually seemed a bit out of style for the time) ...

The reason that I find this picture so "important" is because I would think that Ted didn't have much of a wardrobe...yet he had a very similar Z jacket among his clothing.

Just a thought. It would be interesting to hear what Hartnell would say about this jacket that Ted is wearing.

Good observations and questions Margie. As far as I know, neither Hartnell or SFPD Officer Don Fouke have ever been shows pictures of TK to see if they can identify him as the Zodiac they saw up close and personal, be it for clothes and jacket (Hartnell) or face, hair and jacket (Fouke).

I'd bet money on it that they have all seen pics of Ted K but both the pics of Ted K wearing two different blue jackets perhaps not. It would be wonderful if the pictures could be shown to them and get their opinion on the record!

Just re-read the description that Bryan Hartnell gave regarding what Zodiac was wearing.

"...Man wore a light weight blue-black windbreaker over a reddish-black wool shirt..."

At the Stine murder scene, Zodiac was also described wearing a "dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (navy or royal blue)".



Ted did own a navy blue windbreaker and a dark blue waist length zipper jacket.






The items above fit the pattern of "Things Zodiac had that were also found in Ted Kaczynski's cabin". These include boxes of Winchester .22 Super X ammo (Zodiac used this brand and specific type of ammo at LHR 68 {and SB 63}), a gun with a flashlight strapped to the barrel (Zodiac bragged about using this mathod to see and shoot in the dark) and a hand made black hood with a flat top and rectangluar eye slits (Zodiac used at LB 69). Ted had all of these items in his cabin.

And WOW - I had no idea that TK had a gun with a flashlight attached in his belongings! I've seen the incredibly terrifying hoods though and scroll past them very quickly when I see them on this site...lol. I do know that TK also had a embroidery hoop in his belongings in that cabin which is interesting in light of the Z symbol sewn on the front of his costume.

I still can't imagine why LE doesn't see TK as a viable suspect. There just cannot be this many coincidences between two individuals! Perhaps if they dug TK's blue jacket out of the evidence locker and tested it for DNA .... or was that auctioned off with all his other items?

[Jelberg]

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[Marshall]

I still can't imagine why LE doesn't see TK as a viable suspect. There just cannot be this many coincidences between two individuals! Perhaps if they dug TK's blue jacket out of the evidence locker and tested it for DNA .... or was that auctioned off with all his other items?

Couldn't catch him for 20 years... and now he is in prison for life... Why would they want that egg on their face? Not to mention the whole Murray episode at Harvard, which I'm sure has been downplayed and the full extent has been kept quiet.





And there is ZERO possibility they would admit to having a hand in creating (intentional or not) the monster that Z was.

When Z said he was "crack-proof," he may not have been talking about his ciphers..... He may have been talking about himself. Because, if he was TK, they did in fact try to crack him psychologically.

[Jelberg]

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