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Whilst this topic is off topic I`ll add to the off topic bit.. how about a method of judging a POI on a rating scale. Lets say all moderators have to judge everyones POI except their own on a scale out of 10 sort of like Olympic diving. (Maybe mods get an automatic 5 from themselves) If you wish to put your POI up you have to give in 3 or 4 short standout reasons why your guy fits and 2 or 3 maybe he fits. Just a simple spreadsheet.
Its just an idea don't hang me.
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Snooter, the fact that akwilks has done a ton of research about this case is not evidence that Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac Killer. I have been reading akwilks, Doug Oswell's, and Linda's posts for years about Ted Kaczynski. I have given them ample chance. Nobody has ever gave any compelling evidence yet that Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac Killer.

gumshoe1 wrote:Snooter, the fact that akwilks has done a ton of research about this case is not evidence that Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac Killer. I have been reading akwilks, Doug Oswell's, and Linda's posts for years about Ted Kaczynski. I have given them ample chance. Nobody has ever gave any compelling evidence yet that Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac Killer.

and none of the others either.for me TK is an interesting character..I GET IT...there is zilch compelling evidence for any of the known POI's I agree with that..no prosecutor would ever go into court with what we have now on any POI..it is all circumstantial evidence..stines shirt or a weapon needs to be found and linked back to one of the POI's..it not going to happen though,,if TK's brother would agree to a DNA test it might prove/disapprove of TK once and for all ..still TK holds my interest as a person of interest

Ak Wilks, the signature of Ted Kaczynski and the Zodiac are different. Witnesses of the Zodiac crimes saw a heavy-set perpetrator. Ted Kaczynski is slim. Ted Kaczynski's DNA does not match the DNA on the zodiac letters. Ted Kaczynski's fingerprints are different than the Zodiac's fingerprints.

I've seen your posts implying that Ted Kaczynski is the ear/ons as well. That thesis is even more ridiculous than your Zodiac killer thesis.

You show composite sketches of suspects for the Zodiac crimes and the ear/ons crimes and other crimes as evidence that Ted Kaczynski is the perpetrator even though the sketches don't resemble Ted Kaczynski at all.

gumshoe1 wrote:Ak Wilks, the signature of Ted Kaczynski and the Zodiac are different. Witnesses of the Zodiac crimes saw a heavy-set perpetrator. Ted Kaczynski is slim. Ted Kaczynski's DNA does not match the DNA on the zodiac letters. Ted Kaczynski's fingerprints are different than the Zodiac's fingerprints.

AK Wilks: Weight estimates on Z vary. The first report from Mageau and the report from Johns said 160 pounds, which matches Ted. Fouke said 180 to 200 pounds, and later said that the 250 pound Allen was about 100 pounds too heavy. The girls at LB also rejected Allen as too heavy and said the man they saw was "normal" and "attractive". Ted as the Unabomber concealed his weight by stuffing a towel under his shirt to give the impression of a fat belly, and wore multiple shirts to seem heavier. He even put wax in his nostrils and cheeks to seem fatter.

DNA from a Unabomber stamp did not match DNA from a stamp on a Zodiac letter. Ted has never (up until perhaps very recently) had DNA drawn from his body, and in any event, SFPD currently has "no confidence" that they have any actual Zodiac DNA from a stamp. Ted's fingerprints did not match the cab prints. But CCCSD Crime Lab Chief Paul Holes told me that we don't know if any of the cab prints are from Zodiac, as the cab prints do not match each other and match no other prints in the case, and he said he would not dismiss "Mr. X, Ted K or any other otherwise good suspect solely on the basis of a non-match to the prints or DNA."

Different signature? Both Z and Ted signed their names with crossed lines in a circle and both left crossed lines in a circle at a crime scene. Both designed bombs and created codes. Both demanded their words on the front page or innocents would die. Both showed knowledge of Norse. Both made bomb threats. Ted wrote of his desire to kill noisy love making college students and police. They also differ in many ways.

Gumshoe1: I've seen your posts implying that Ted Kaczynski is the ear/ons as well. That thesis is even more ridiculous than your Zodiac killer thesis.

AK Wilks: lately I have not spent much time on the EAR/ONS case. It does not fit Ted psychologically, but Ted does look like the VR and Maggiore sketches. Ted was an armed burglar, peeper, cabin trasher, and like EAR/ONS he wrote letters to police and media. But a lot does not fit. Years ago I gave the info to LE people who have been on the EAR/ONS case a long time, like Inv. Larry Montgomery and Crime Lab Chief Paul Holes, and they thought enough of it to request DNA from Ted.

Gumshoe1: You show composite sketches of suspects for the Zodiac crimes and the ear/ons crimes and other crimes as evidence that Ted Kaczynski is the perpetrator even though the sketches don't resemble Ted Kaczynski at all.

AK Wilks: Really? Many people who do not think much of Ted as Z overall have told me he does look like the sketch and his handwriting is close. To each his own. You really think this picture of Ted at Berkeley in 1968 "does not resemble" the 1969 Zodiac SF sketch at all?

I think TK is my fav POI as of yet.
Here is an article just to update AK Wilks' thread here in relation to TK and the psychological studies having messed him up.

http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=62564

"As a Psych 101 student in college, you may have participated in experiments grad students concocted as part of their research papers or theses. Ted Kaczynski did, and it was so extreme, it may have helped shape the worldview of the man who would later build and send 16 bombs, killing three and injuring 23.
In 1959, 17-year-old Kaczynski was a sophomore at Harvard. He had completed high school at 15, then enrolled at the Ivy League school at an age when most teenagers are cramming for their driver’s license tests.
At this young, impressionable age, the future Unabomber was recruited for a psychological experiment run by famed psychologist Henry A. Murray. But unlike the ones you and I probably participated in during college, the experiment Murray conducted lasted three years.
In it, Kaczynski and 21 other students were told to develop their personal philosophies on life. Then they would debate that philosophy against another undergraduate student. But as it turned out, this was no friendly discourse. When they showed up to debate, the test subjects were attached to electrodes, seated in a chair facing a one-way mirror, and subjected to hot, bright lights. The debate wasn’t with a fellow undergrad at all, but a law student who had been told to go to town on the ideals of these young men. To make matters worse, they then had to watch video of the argument after it was over, which forced them to go through the humiliation all over again. Murray himself called them "vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive" attacks.
Prior to this particular stint at Harvard, Murray worked for the Office of Strategic Services (the OSS, the precursor to the CIA) during WWII, training spies to handle intense interrogation from the enemy. Some experts believe that he simply continued that line of study on unwitting undergrads.
Did having his morals and values ridiculed and abused push Kaczynski over the edge and eventually make him punish those who didn’t believe in his manifesto—including university professors? Or did the brutal psychological study have no effect on Kaczynski at all? Perhaps the future terrorist had social problems long before he stepped into Murray’s office? We may never know—the Murray Center has sealed any files relating to Ted Kaczynski and the results of the experiment he was part of, saying, "We have a very strong policy of maintaining the confidentiality of people who participate in studies archived here. This particular file has been permanently removed, with the reason being that we cannot protect its confidentiality anymore."
- See more at: http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id ... xpkRq.dpuf

PhinkPhantom wrote:Did having his morals and values ridiculed and abused push Kaczynski over the edge and eventually make him punish those who didn’t believe in his manifesto—including university professors?

I think it did and believe it can happen to the anyone (under specific circumstances relating to the personality of the individual). It's a sad story, all of it.

Jarlve wrote:

PhinkPhantom wrote:Did having his morals and values ridiculed and abused push Kaczynski over the edge and eventually make him punish those who didn’t believe in his manifesto—including university professors?

I think it did and believe it can happen to the anyone (under specific circumstances relating to the personality of the individual). It's a sad story, all of it.

I think we have seen a much milder version of this sort of thing via message board members.

Yes I felt it interesting that the author of the article was interested in that aspect of TKs upbringing. At any rate I felt it nice to update AK Wilk's thread here with a recent article that supports many of his theories posed. Sometimes I'm a little OCD about updated threads with recent news stories pertaining to it. Not sure if this is the right place and if not my apologies.

Hope everyone is doing well today. Hugs.

I agree Jarive. Trying to do mind control experimentation and behavioral conditioning upon an individual with a dangerous budding mental illness could cause a malfunction in his "programming" in my opinion.

For the record I remember participating for credits in psych courses concerning various psychological theories. Basically you do sign up to be a Guinea pig for the university experiments in order to get more credits or complete course requirements.

One experiment I did put electrode like discs on my temples (or wrists) and I believe if I remember correct a heart monitor on my finger. I was shown a series of photos and had to click buttons according to the emotion I had received from Seeing the picture (positive or negative emotional reaction) . Some were timing tests to see how fast I was at recognizing similar items/variables. Others involved memory.

Btw AK... A few of the zodiac letters did have resting palm prints that were used to compare to ALA (with no match to ALA).

If you received a letter from TK it is likely there may be a palm print from him on it.

Have you considered having a TK letter tested for a resting Palm print and having that palm print (if present) sent to the SFPD for them to compare to their Zodiac resting Palm print?