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Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:17 pm
by Daxide
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=10
I found this post on the Pines Card Image

by AK Wilks. However, he didn't make a connection with TK at the time. To me, it seems quite obvious, given the radical environmentalists concern with logging and development in mountain and wilderness at the time. To me this looks like Zodiac's transformation into a politically/ideologically motivated terrorist.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:32 pm
by AK Wilks
Daxide wrote:http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=10
I found this post on the Pines Card Imageby AK Wilks. However, he didn't make a connection with TK at the time. To me, it seems quite obvious, given the radical environmentalists concern with logging and development in mountain and wilderness at the time. To me this looks like Zodiac's transformation into a politically/ideologically motivated terrorist.


Those are good points you make. Ted was indeed a member of the Sierra Club, believed in its ideals and would have been against the building of condos at the expense of natural forest. I didn't raise those points there, because that was a topic thread on that particular mailing, and a general rule here is we don't bring in arguments or facts about specific POI's in that kind of thread.

But consider the following.

Six months after the abduction and presumed murder of Nevada resident Donna Lass, the Zodiac sent in a card thought to hint at her murder. The card included the very odd phrase "AROUND IN THE SNOW". The card seems to imply that the dead body of Donna Lass can be found AROUND IN THE SNOW.

The phrase is odd. Normally we might expect to hear that a body is "IN THE SNOW", or "ON THE SNOW", or "OUT IN THE SNOW".

Thus the term "AROUND IN THE SNOW" is very unusual.

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In his new book Technological Slavery, on page 400, Ted Kaczynski discusses hunting rabbits and states that after shooting a rabbit it can be found bouncing "AROUND IN THE SNOW."

Both the Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski use the odd term "AROUND IN THE SNOW" to refer to where a body may be found.

The nature, tree and wood themes on the "Peek Through The Pines" card also fit a pattern seen in both the Unabomber and Zodiac cases.

THE CRIMINAL SIGNATURE OF THEODORE KACZYNSKI AND THE ZODIAC KILLER

"The MO is basically the way the predator commits the crime -- if he uses a gun rather than a knife or lures prospective victims by putting his arm in a fake sling. While the MO tells us something about how he did it, the signature gives us some insight into why. The signature is a ritual, something the subject does intentionally for emotional satisfaction -- something that isn't necessary to perpetuate the crime. Evidence of torture is a signature. Posing -- displaying the victims in a certain way -- is a signature. Signature is a way of linking cases. Like a real signature, it's a personal detail that's unique to the individual.

Sometimes there's a fine line between an MO and a signature.

I've found that signature is a more reliable guide to the behavior of serial offenders than an MO. That's because the MO evolves, while the emotional reasoning that triggers the signature doesn't.

Former FBI Special Agent and Serial Killer Profiler John Douglas


"In the Unabomber's case a large factor was his obsession with wood. Wood. Wood was everywhere. It haunted his mind, controlled his actions, wood was his goal and mode of attack. He selected as his enemies people who had wood - associated names, addresses, or businesses."
From "Unabomber: A Desire To Kill", By Robert Graysmith


Acting as the Unabomber, Theodore Kaczynski used a criminal signature utilizing nature themes such as water, ice, animals, hills, mountains and in particular TREES and WOOD. The NATURE, TREES and WOOD theme was a major focal point of the FBI investigation, as it was one of the few obvious clues Kaczynski left in his trail of bombings. Kaczynski of course lived not far from a stream in a wood cabin among the tree covered hills and mountains of Montana. The consistent references to Water, Trees, Wood and Mountains could have been a way to signal his belief in the primacy of nature over industrial technology, a taunting clue to his Montana location and/or a calling card link to claim credit for his crimes.



Kaczynski later targeted certain groups of people - business executives, professors in technological subjects, computer workers. But within these broad groups, he would usually select a specific person whose name, street or city had a tie to a Nature, Wood or Trees theme, or he would make the references in fake return addresses. It would take several pages to list in detail all of the examples of the Kaczynski Nature, Trees and Wood mania, so I will just mention the highlights.



Kaczynski as the Unabomber mailed bombs to targets in Salt LAKE City, LAKE FOREST Illinois and Ann ARBOR Michigan. He included a copy of the novel "The ICE Brothers" in a bomb package, the story of which concerns a boat on OCEAN patrol near GREENland. Targeted persons named Patrick FISCHER, James HILL, Percy WOOD and Leroy WOOD BEARson. All of his bombs had parts made of WOOD and/or were concealed in WOOD boxes. Enclosed items within his bomb packages such as parts, sticks or twigs from TREES of Maple WOOD, Red WOOD, Cherry WOOD and Douglas Fir WOOD. Selected victims that lived on streets like FOREST HILL or ASPEN (a type of poplar TREE and a town in Colorado associated with MOUNTAINS). Used return addresses of OAKland California, RAVENSWOOD Street and BERG or BURG three times which is German for MOUNTAIN and castle. There are many other examples with NATURE, WATER, ANIMAL, and especially WOOD or TREE themes, but one more will make the point rather clearly - a return address of Frederick Benjamin Isaac WOOD, 549 WOOD Street, WOODLAKE California. (FBI profiler John Douglas noted he thought the intended message here was "FBI: WOOD, WOOD, WOOD!")

Unabomber Label Sent To Percy WOOD Fake Return Address of RAVENSWOOD.jpg


Label of Unabomber bomb sent to Percy WOOD, FOREST HILL, LAKE FOREST, Illinois. Fake return address of Enoch FISCHer, RAVENSWOOD


THE ZODIAC KILLER CONNECTION

I have shown that Theodore Kaczynski was known by his criminal signature of using victims, streets, cities and other clues pertaining to themes of Nature, in particular Water, Mountains, Trees and (most of all) Wood. Knowing that Kaczynski is a suspect for being the Zodiac Killer, let us look at that case for a similar criminal signature.

Probable and definite Zodiac crimes took place at RIVERside, Blue Rock SPRINGS, LAKE Herman Road, LAKE Berryessa, South LAKE Tahoe.

Zodiac told cab driver Paul Stine to go to Washington and MAPLE street, it is MAPLE street Z refers to in his letter claiming credit for the murder and crime actually took place closest to CHERRY street. Of course both are types of TREES.

SFPD Officer Richard Radetich, 6/19/70, possible Z victim, was murdered on Waller street, but a white American car (which Ted K owned) is seen speeding away on nearby OAK street.

Stuart Maher, 3/17/68, a possible Z victim, was shot in the back of the head in San Fransisco on PINE street.

Pat Tan, 4/19/70, possible Z victim, found hanging from a TREE on Mt. Tam.

Isobel Watson, 4/7/72, a possible Z victim, was stabbed in the Tamalpais Valley area on PINE HILL Road.

Yvonne Weber (13 years old) and Maureen Sterling (12 years old), 2/4/72, possible Z victims in Sonoma County, last seen alive at the REDWOOD Ice Rink.

Barbara Jane Perkins, 12/8/67, possible Z victim, a nurse who lived on Grant street in Berkeley, 1.4 miles from TJK residence on Regent street, found at Point Reyes National SEASHORE, head was "tucked against base of fallen TREE."

Daniel Williams, possible Z victim, lived on BUSH street in Martinez, reported calls from man claiming to be Z and arsenic poison later put into a soda pop bottle.

Unknown female U Cal Riverside student, late 1966, possible Z victim, accepted ride from man matching Z description, man said "after all I'm not Jack the Ripper," spoke of Cheri Jo Bates death, told woman "I'm not going to kill you. If I wanted to kill you I could just hit you in the head with this piece of WOOD." Attacked the student, who then escaped.

Z sent card with "peek through the PINES" on it, card hinted a body could be found "around in the SNOW", mentioned "SIERRA club" SIERRA being Spanish for "MOUNTAIN range" (SIERRA club also concerned with protecting NATURE, and TJK was a member), letter mentioning torture by shoving PINE needles under fingernails, Halloween card had eyes looking through a TREE, suspected of sending a taunting Christmas card to sister of probable victim Donna Lass with picture of PINE TREE covered with SNOW, and saying "Saint Donna, Guardian of the PINES." Another card mentioned Monticello (Italian for little MOUNTAIN), and "in the WOODS dies April".

Do people have other examples to add to this list? Or to disprove it?

This all tends to show that the Zodiac Killer andTheodore Kaczynski had a very similar criminal signature - the use of Nature themes, in particular Water, Mountains, Trees and Wood.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:09 am
by Daxide
Thanks. This is pretty indicting evidence. I did not know that TK was a member of the Sierra Club, but now that I do, after seeing Zodiac's Pines card, it's coming full circle.
Kinda unrelated to this, it always struck me as conflicting against his anti-tech views that TK drove a car up at least until the mid 70s and owned guns, made bombs,used public transportation, and lived off powder milk among other things, all products of modern technology. Granted, he lived a more primitive lifestyle than most of us, but he didn't hunt with a bow or blowgun and he used engine-powered means of transportation.
I also feel like there are a lot of unknowns about this guy. For example how he built his log cabin alone (no chainsaw used, since he hated them?), without external help and where did he sleep/eat whilst he was building such cabin. We know that building it took him a few months, and we don't know where he was living when his cabin was still under construction. It's also not clear where he lived between his leaving the Berkeley professorship and starting to build his cabin.
We know that he spent a few winters away from Montana during the 70s and 80s but his whereabouts and crimes make me wonder if he was actually a full time resident at his log cabin or if he actually spent a lot of time in other places?
These might seem minor points but everything will help to understand his psychology.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:18 pm
by marie
Hi AK Wilkes and Daxide,

I am just going to give a bit of dissent, but first I do find Ted K. fascinating and have read AK's blog located elsewhere?

I think he was the Tylenol killer, did some preliminary testing just outside of Montana as you said, and did other killings unconnected at all to him by most others (I a recalling one in TX at a University research site where someone was killed, but am blanking on details, and more you had listed). Your research, AK, is astounding. I agree WOOD was an important element, and of course his bomb signature and was certainly for preserving nature.

However, I disagree with the Donna Lass connection, which I also don't think was Z. If we do want to talk about the Sierra Club (I am a member), it is interesting to note that Sierra CC islocated in California (Sacramento, and later expanded to other satellite campuses including near Tahoe), and there is, of course, a now famous attendee, Joseph James DeAngelo Jr. who I think makes a good candidate for her disappearance and likely death (as I duck from all the detractors), but there were reports of her walking with someone who resembled JJAJ's composite right before her disappearance. I think JJAJ will be linked to more crimes as we learn more, but I digress.

Ted K. was certainly in the right place to be Z, coincidences such as Cherry St and other nature terms can be drawn, but the phrase "around in the snow" doesn't phase me. IT is clearly cut as a phrase from somewhere and pasted whole on the card so someone else wrote it. Also, I live in NY and I could see myself using it- "look at the kids playing around in the snow," yesterday we went cross country skiing around in the snow"- as we often do loops on ball fields, etc. Also, if you do a quoted google of the phrase, you get tons of hits, from West VA to Seattle, WA to name a few, so its also not a regionalized phrase. A coincidence, sure, but cherry picking a phrase here and there to make a Z connection (and assuming Donna Lass was killed by Z, or Ted K. with the assumption of them as one in the same) doesn't add much to your case.

But still, lots of good info and I search and change my favorite POI for Z, I am not sure what will be the nail in the coffin for my decision. There are many I can see and you have made a strong case, and others I have long since dismissed. So I will leave it at that, and keep up the good work. Enough coincidences that are strong can make a case!

-marie

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:06 am
by AK Wilks
Daxide wrote:Thanks. This is pretty indicting evidence. I did not know that TK was a member of the Sierra Club, but now that I do, after seeing Zodiac's Pines card, it's coming full circle.
Kinda unrelated to this, it always struck me as conflicting against his anti-tech views that TK drove a car up at least until the mid 70s and owned guns, made bombs,used public transportation, and lived off powder milk among other things, all products of modern technology. Granted, he lived a more primitive lifestyle than most of us, but he didn't hunt with a bow or blowgun and he used engine-powered means of transportation.
I also feel like there are a lot of unknowns about this guy. For example how he built his log cabin alone (no chainsaw used, since he hated them?), without external help and where did he sleep/eat whilst he was building such cabin. We know that building it took him a few months, and we don't know where he was living when his cabin was still under construction. It's also not clear where he lived between his leaving the Berkeley professorship and starting to build his cabin.
We know that he spent a few winters away from Montana during the 70s and 80s but his whereabouts and crimes make me wonder if he was actually a full time resident at his log cabin or if he actually spent a lot of time in other places?
These might seem minor points but everything will help to understand his psychology.


There are still some gaps in the knowledge about Ted's whereabouts at certain times. Ted was a hypocrite in many ways. I remember a stand up comic joking " I was with Ted until I found out he used a typewriter ... that's technology!"

IMO with Ted he did not kill because he had to to further his anti - technology views. The desire to kill came first, out of sexual frustration and depression and homicidial urges, and "anti - tech" was a both a genuine and growing, developing strong belief and later after the fact more acceptable justification for the urges to kill. See my first post in the Facts and Evidence section. This is the key part:

THE BIRTH OF THE ZODIAC?


In the summer of 1966, most likely late August/early September 1966, Ted Kaczynski records a break through moment in his life. He is a genius, yet socially alienated and isolated. He decribes hearing the sound of couples having sex in the apartment next door to his, and he says it fills him with frustration and anger. Out of despair and self described "acute sexual starvation", he records in his journal that instead of killing himself he will "really kill everyone I hate."

The people he says he hates and wants to kill are many, but they include two distinct groups. One group is what he calls "bigshots" or "government officials", and these include "scientists", "big businessmen", "politicians" and "police".

The other group of people he hated and wanted to kill included love making "couples", "college students" and those men and women he deems "promiscuous". Look at the government psychiatric report on Kaczynski done after he was arrested for the Unabomber crimes:

In the summer after his fourth year [of graduate school, the summer of 1966], he describes experiencing a period of several weeks where he was sexually excited nearly all the time and was fantasizing himself as a woman and being unable to obtain any sexual relief. He decided to make an effort to have a sex change operation. When he returned to the University of Michigan [most likely in late August or early September 1966] he made an appointment to see a psychiatrist to be examined to determine if the sex change would be good for him. He claimed that by putting on an act he could con the psychiatrist into thinking him suitable for a feminine role even though his motive was exclusively erotic. As he was sitting in the waiting room, he turned completely against the idea of the operation and thus, when he saw the doctor, instead claimed he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted. He describes the following:

"As I walked away from the building afterwards, I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do and I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope. I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. I felt I wouldn't care if I died. And so I said to myself why not really kill the psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate. What is important is not the words that ran through my mind but the way I felt about them. What was entirely new was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone. My very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life an do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal." [Psych Report] {Emphasis added}

The crimes of the Zodiac and writing to police and newspapers bragging about having committed them, were certainly "daring, irresponsible [and] criminal.", as was a home invasion and murder at the house of a major CEO and Senate candidate.

That happened sometime in the summer of 1966, most likely in late August/early September 1966. Probably mere days later, on or around September 3, 1966, bombs go off at the suburban Chicago house of Elmwood Park Mayor Elmer Conti and at a glass company on Paulina St. in Chicago. Within weeks there is another attack on a home of an Illinois politician Republican Senate nominee and Bell & Howell CEO Charles Percy, this one far more brutal and lethal, and his daughter Valerie Percy is murdered on September 18, with the mom activating an alarm, perhaps preventing the rest of the family being killed. One week later Monsanto chemical engineer Jerry Bricca, his wife Linda and daughter Debbie in suburban Cincinnati are bound and killed. Evidence I sent the police there a few years ago resulted in a press release announcing Zodiac was now a suspect in the killings, and confidentially, Ted Kaczynski specifically was also. On October 30, 1966, when evidence shows Ted Kaczynski is in California, the first probable Zodiac crime, the murder of college student Cheri Jo Bates occurs.

His first confirmed Unabomber crime was in 1978, when he was 36 years old. Yet we know from research that the most active and violent period for the majority of serial killers is from their late teens to late twenties. And we see that Kaczynski reports the motivation, desire and ability to kill at least as early as the summer of 1966, when he was 24.

In 1966 he was a sexually frustrated and confused young man who resolved to kill those he hated, which included "bigshots" but also college students and young women. He later recorded a fantasy of mutilating a woman's face with a knife. He also wanted to - and did - kill "bigshots" like "big businessmen" and "politicians", and Bell & Howell CEO and soon to be Senator Charles Percy would represent those things to him, as well being a man associated with high technology through his company. And Mr. Bricca was a scientist working for a major corporation. The fathers of Valerie Percy, Linda Bricca and Cheri Jo Bates all worked for companies or facilities involved in technology and/or that had government defense contracts.

In September 1966, of course, Ted was officially enrolled at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, Michigan. But his TA duties and course work were done, his thesis almost finished, and he could finish writing it at any college library anywhere. There was nothing to require him to be physically present at the campus. We know that sometime in the later Fall and/or Winter of 1966 evidence shows he went to California for job interviews at the University of California, Berkeley. Where Percy was killed in Kenilworth, Illinois is only 30 minutes from the Kaczynski family home in Evergreen Park, Illinois. Ann Arbor is only a three to four hour trip by car or train to Chicago, and a four hour trip by car to Cincinnati, Ohio.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:48 am
by AK Wilks
marie wrote:Hi AK Wilkes and Daxide,

I am just going to give a bit of dissent, but first I do find Ted K. fascinating and have read AK's blog located elsewhere?

I think he was the Tylenol killer, did some preliminary testing just outside of Montana as you said, and did other killings unconnected at all to him by most others (I a recalling one in TX at a University research site where someone was killed, but am blanking on details, and more you had listed). Your research, AK, is astounding. I agree WOOD was an important element, and of course his bomb signature and was certainly for preserving nature.

However, I disagree with the Donna Lass connection, which I also don't think was Z. If we do want to talk about the Sierra Club (I am a member), it is interesting to note that Sierra CC islocated in California (Sacramento, and later expanded to other satellite campuses including near Tahoe), and there is, of course, a now famous attendee, Joseph James DeAngelo Jr. who I think makes a good candidate for her disappearance and likely death (as I duck from all the detractors), but there were reports of her walking with someone who resembled JJAJ's composite right before her disappearance. I think JJAJ will be linked to more crimes as we learn more, but I digress.

Ted K. was certainly in the right place to be Z, coincidences such as Cherry St and other nature terms can be drawn, but the phrase "around in the snow" doesn't phase me. IT is clearly cut as a phrase from somewhere and pasted whole on the card so someone else wrote it. Also, I live in NY and I could see myself using it- "look at the kids playing around in the snow," yesterday we went cross country skiing around in the snow"- as we often do loops on ball fields, etc. Also, if you do a quoted google of the phrase, you get tons of hits, from West VA to Seattle, WA to name a few, so its also not a regionalized phrase. A coincidence, sure, but cherry picking a phrase here and there to make a Z connection (and assuming Donna Lass was killed by Z, or Ted K. with the assumption of them as one in the same) doesn't add much to your case.

But still, lots of good info and I search and change my favorite POI for Z, I am not sure what will be the nail in the coffin for my decision. There are many I can see and you have made a strong case, and others I have long since dismissed. So I will leave it at that, and keep up the good work. Enough coincidences that are strong can make a case!

-marie


Thanks for the response, and your kind words about my research in general, and on the Tylenol case and TK's wood obsession in particular. Your dissent and criticism on other points is welcome and may lead to an illuminating discussion. Most importantly, I do not (as others have done with other POI's) pick out one word my POI used and trumpet that as matching a word Z used. Consider all the following:

A COMPARISON OF SHARED WORD USAGE, PHRASES AND STYLES BY THE ZODIAC AND KACZYNSKI (BY DOUG OSWELL AND BY AK WILKS AND OTHERS)

Z = Zodiac K = Kaczynski/Unabomber


Z = I hope you enjoy your selves when I have my Blast. Jolly Roger Card.

K = For these reasons, I want to get my revenge in one big blast. GX18-2003F, p. 11.


Z = At the moment the children are safe from the bomb because it is so massive to dig in & the triger mech requires much work to get it adjusted just right. Belli Letter, 1969.

K = Its no fun having to spend all your evenings and weekends preparing dangerous mixtures, filing trigger mechanisms out of scraps of metal .... New York Times Letter, 1995.


Z = I gave the cops som bussy work to do to keep them happy. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = This seems to us a thoroughly contemptible way for the human race to end up, and we doubt that many people would find fulfilling lives in such pointless busy-work. Unabomber Manifesto, 1995.


Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass at Lake Herman & the girl on the 4th of July near the golf course in Vallejo. To prove I killed them I shall state some facts which only I & the police know. Three-Part Cipher, 1969.

K = To prove that we are the ones who planted the bomb at U. Of Cal. last May we will mention a few details that could be known only to us and the FBI who investigated the incident. S.F. Examiner Letter, 1985.


Z = The police shall never catch me, because I have been too clever for them. Seven-Page letter, 1969.

K = And it doesn't appear that the FBI is going to catch us any time soon. New York Times letter, 1995.


Z = 2 cops pulled a goof. Seven-Page letter, 1969.

K = The FBI is a joke. New York Times letter, 1995.


Z = As of yet I have left no fingerprints behind me contrary to what the police say. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = Contrary to what the FBI has suggested, our bombing at the California Forestry Association was in no way inspired by the Oklahoma City bombing. New York Times Letter, 1995.


Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass ... July 31, 1969 Letter (Chronicle).
This is the Zodiac speaking. Numerous correspondences, 1969 through 1971.

K = This is a message from the terrorist group FC. New York Times Letter, April 24, 1995.
This is a message from FC. Tom Tyler Letter, June 30, 1995.


Z = I promised to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. Mt. Diablo Letter, 1970.

K = The people who are pushing all this growth and progress garbage deserve to be severely punished. New York Times Letter, 1995.


Z = By the way it could be rather messy if you try to bluff me. Seven-Page Letter, Nov. 1969.

K = A special case of Theorem (b) was proved (in effect) in [6, proof of Theorem 6] by means of a rather messy lemma. T.J. Kaczynski. Boundary Functions and Sets of Curvilinear Convergence for Continuous Functions. Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 141 (Jul., 1969), 107-125, p. 124.

Z = [Called a violent movie] "deplorable".

K = [Called OKC bombing] "deplorable".



I do think the shared word usage of Kaczynski and Zodiac is remarkable, and unlike what we see in any other Z suspect.

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In the Bates confession letter, it says "This letter should be published for all to read it. It just might save that girl in the alley. BUT THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU. IT WILL BE ON YOUR CONSCIENCE, NOT MINE".

In the Kaczynski Utah letter it says "When I contact my new friend summer of 1988 and he tells me you have kept your nose clean you will have nothing to fear. IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR FATE IS IN YOUR OWN HANDS."

In both letters, the criminal puts the responsibility to the reader "That will be up to you" and "Your fate is in your own hands". The criminal tells the reader what to do "publish this letter" and "keep your nose clean". If they don't the threat is there for more murders, but it is up to the reader.

Very unusual, very specific and very similar.

We all know that Ted Kaczynski eluded capture as the Unabomber for 18 years, and that the FBI had a 25,000 name suspect list that did not include his name. But Ted Kaczynski's downfall, what led to his capture, was that he used certain very specific and odd words and phrases that virtually no one else used. David Kaczynski recognized these words and phrases used by the Unabomber as ones that his brother Ted had used. This included the phrase "cool headed logician." It also included Ted's unique phrasing of the old cliche "You can't have your cake and eat it too" as "You can't eat your cake and have it too."

There are many, many other examples.

Zodiac: Police should have "sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover." Zodiac Stine Letter, October 13, 1969, to SF Chronicle.

Kaczynski: "I went down there and watched, from cover, a guy with a bulldozer...". Unabomber: The Secret Life of Ted Kaczynski, by Chris Waits and Dave Shors, p. 278.

Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski describe hiding from and watching enemies behind forestry as from "cover", a military term.

Zodiac: "was a negro about 40 -45 rather shabbly dressed." Zodiac Letter of August 4, 1969, to SF Examiner.

Kaczynski: "their homes looked shabby". Technological Slavery, p. 397.


People will tell me sometimes "Oh here is a person who said "rather messy", and sometimes I say "no longer", and someone else said "around in the snow". What is interesting is that both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski used dozens and dozens of the same words and phrases, and some are not very common, like "rather messy", "around in the snow", "contrary to what police say", "evidence only I and police know", etc.

Consider all of the above examples, and if you want more go to the section "Shared Words and Phrases", and also look at the many handwriting similarities and exact matches.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:53 am
by Daxide
AK Wilks wrote:[
There are still some gaps in the knowledge about Ted's whereabouts at certain times. Ted was a hypocrite in many ways. I remember a stand up comic joking " I was with Ted until I found out he used a typewriter ... that's technology!"

IMO with Ted he did not kill because he had to to further his anti - technology views. The desire to kill came first, out of sexual frustration and depression and homicidial urges, and "anti - tech" was a both a genuine and growing, developing strong belief and later after the fact more acceptable justification for the urges to kill. See my first post in the Facts and Evidence section.


I agree with you that his nature-loving feelings and his anti-tech philosophy were genuine but his urge to kill came first (after all, he admitted in a letter that he acted out of frustration and not a sincere beliefe that his action would serve his anti-tech cause. And in his writings he scorns lone wolves who carry out a revolution without a tightly organized revolutionary structure (perhaps like he did). Assuming TK was Z, I wonder how much his unexpected decision to step down from his position at Berkeley was also due to fear of being recognized as the Zodiac killer by people in the area who might have seen him. Certainly his anti-technology views played a role but we all know that big life decisions are usually due to a bunch of factors that add up together to reach some threshold or turning point.

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:44 am
by Daxide
It looks like this policeman, Jerry Burns, still owns Kaczynski's diaries. How is this possible that a man personally owns such items? Surely they should either be published or kept in a government archive but not the exclusive property of a private citizen (but maybe cops have that power in the US?). Anyway, is it possible for someone to contact him and ask disclosure of these documents?
This is where I found this info: http://www.krtv.com/story/38130068/linc ... er-capture

Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:44 pm
by Jelberg
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Re: Circumstantial Evidence

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:18 am
by Daxide
Can someone contact officer Jeff Burns and ask him to disclose TK's diaries. I really think it's medieval that such important documents are the private property of a cop.
Another line of suggestive evidence that should be highlighted is that as TK moves westwards "looking for land", away from the Bay Area, so do the Zodiac killings (e.g. Donna Lass in Nevada). Then as he moved to his Montana cabin, the killings stop and we don't see a Zodiac postcard until when? 1978? The very year TK started his bombing campaign.