Circumstantial Evidence

[Zresearch]

One more thing that caught my attention. Would anyone else describe this guy as having a "large face" and "pompadour hairdo"?

Very large face.

Correct hair as well.

Imagine that photo with some black horn-Rim glasses...

(Everybody has a suspect who looks like "zodiac", so looks alone are only an "add on", very interesting though. That photo looks like what you imagine Mike Mageau's shooter would look like... )

Though this photo is from after the Z crimes, it shows how Ted's age and style didn't vary much over many years from the photo above.

If you look at the comparison with the sketch, the nose is bigger, but the creases/lines on the face, nose/brow & and around the eyes are almost dead on.
IMO the only other one close, out of all of the other POI's, is Gyke.

Not only "gyke", officer richard Hoffman is a dead ringer for zodiac.

But you are correct, he looks just like that photo, as well as the one posted below, he looks like the sketch on the right:

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However, we all have a POI that looks like what we imagine zodiac to look like, like Hoffman:

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[Zresearch]

Good points Jelberg. Additional comp of the SF Zodiac sketch and Ted Kaczynski.



Ted decided he would rather face the death penalty than have his lawyers say he was insane. As the Bates letter writer said "I am not sick", Ted said "I am not a sickie. They were going to portray me as a sickie."

Ted is a hero to some people in the anarchist primitivist movement and the radical environmental groups. He is interviewed by college professors and cited in journals. They view him as a political terrorist, a leader in a cause, someone who fought against big corporations and technology.

The Zodiac is a serial killer, viewed in the category of Jack the Ripper and Ted Bundy, a sick psychopath who shot teenagers in the back, a lovers lane stalker who took out his sexual frustrations on innocent men and women with a gun or knife. Zodiac does get some "praise" for being a genius, going uncaught and making unsolvable codes. Yet these are overshadowed by killing teens and the label as a psycho.

I think Ted is happy with how he is viewed now. Other than teasing references, like signing his name with a huge Z, he will not admit to being Zodiac.

Gary Greenberg noted that Ted Kaczynski would often sign his letters with a large "Z" underneath the signature. He wondered if this was like a "Mark of Zorro". I have never seen anything to indicate Kaczynski would have been a fan of those old adventure films.

Ted also told a psychiatrist he had an "obsession" with a "Ms. Z" during his graduate school years, though no evidence suggests he had a relationship with any woman, let alone one with a rare last name starting with a "Z". Was "Ms. Z" his code word for Zodiac? Or if a real woman, is naming her "Z" a reflection of an obsession with the letter "Z"? Ted also spray painted a Yggdrasil symbol, also known as the Algiz Rune, at the campus of a target. The Algiz Rune translates to English as the letter "Z".

Is the large "Z" under his name meant to conjure up Zodiac?




Another Zodiac - Kaczymski comp. Note the similarities of jaw and facial structure.

Great stuff. Very informative.

[Zresearch]

Good points Jelberg. Additional comp of the SF Zodiac sketch and Ted Kaczynski.



Ted decided he would rather face the death penalty than have his lawyers say he was insane. As the Bates letter writer said "I am not sick", Ted said "I am not a sickie. They were going to portray me as a sickie."

Ted is a hero to some people in the anarchist primitivist movement and the radical environmental groups. He is interviewed by college professors and cited in journals. They view him as a political terrorist, a leader in a cause, someone who fought against big corporations and technology.

The Zodiac is a serial killer, viewed in the category of Jack the Ripper and Ted Bundy, a sick psychopath who shot teenagers in the back, a lovers lane stalker who took out his sexual frustrations on innocent men and women with a gun or knife. Zodiac does get some "praise" for being a genius, going uncaught and making unsolvable codes. Yet these are overshadowed by killing teens and the label as a psycho.

I think Ted is happy with how he is viewed now. Other than teasing references, like signing his name with a huge Z, he will not admit to being Zodiac.

Gary Greenberg noted that Ted Kaczynski would often sign his letters with a large "Z" underneath the signature. He wondered if this was like a "Mark of Zorro". I have never seen anything to indicate Kaczynski would have been a fan of those old adventure films.

Ted also told a psychiatrist he had an "obsession" with a "Ms. Z" during his graduate school years, though no evidence suggests he had a relationship with any woman, let alone one with a rare last name starting with a "Z". Was "Ms. Z" his code word for Zodiac? Or if a real woman, is naming her "Z" a reflection of an obsession with the letter "Z"? Ted also spray painted a Yggdrasil symbol, also known as the Algiz Rune, at the campus of a target. The Algiz Rune translates to English as the letter "Z".

Is the large "Z" under his name meant to conjure up Zodiac?




Another Zodiac - Kaczymski comp. Note the similarities of jaw and facial structure.

Thank you for the excellent work. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned enough is that "This is the Zodiac speaking" contains all the letters of Theodore Kaczynski (minus the y)". I am not from the US but if someone can provide me with a list of random names (e.g. from phone books, ideally dating from 60 to 70s, but contemporary ones are ok too), I could run a simulation and calculate the odds of this event.

It has all the letters but y?...

Not sure if that means much.

At first I thought you were speaking about anagrams, but the anagrams of theodore's name are pretty useless, even the ones with "zodiac" in them:
Zodiak Cheeky Snort
Zodiak Coherent Sky
Zodiak Cheery Knots
Zodiak Secret Honky
Zodiak Erects Honky
Zodiak Choke Sentry
Zodiak Chokes Entry
Zodiak Hockeys Tern
Zodiak Hockeys Rent
Zodiak Hockey Stern
Zodiak Hockey Terns
Zodiak Hockey Rents
Zodiak Trench Yokes
Zodiak Chesty Krone
Zodiak Scythe Krone
Zodiak Reckons They
Zodiak Necks Theory
Zodiak Cheek Nor Sty
Zodiak Cheek Nos Try
Zodiak Cheek Son Try
Zodiak Cheeks No Try
Zodiak Cheeks On Try
Zodiak Recent Oh Sky
Zodiak Recent Ho Sky
Zodiak Center Oh Sky
Zodiak Center Ho Sky
Zodiak Centre Oh Sky
Zodiak Centre Ho Sky
Zodiak Erect Hon Sky
Zodiak Heck En Tyros
Zodiak Heck En Story
Zodiak Heck Noes Try
Zodiak Heck Eons Try
Zodiak Heck Ones Try
Zodiak Sketch Yen Or
Zodiak Sketch Re Yon
Zodiak Sketch Rye No
Zodiak Sketch Rye On
Zodiak Sketch Ye Nor
Zodiak Sketchy En Or
Zodiak Sketchy Re No
Zodiak Sketchy Re On
odiak Cry Knee Host
Zodiak Cry Knee Shot
Zodiak Cry Keen Hots
Zodiak Cry Keen Host
...and on and on, and on and on...

Not sure if all the letters being present means much, but hey, it can't hurt to look into it...

Zodiac reminds me of Jim from the doors in many ways, like the whole anagram thing, Jim used the anagram of "Jim Morrison" "Mr. Mojo risin"

I also suspect that when Jim "got lost in the desert" when he was supposed to leave town, and then turned up living on his friends roof, just before starting the band, that Jim had killed someone, it sounds like he was hitchhiking and killed someone or someone(s), writing about it in "riders on the storm"

There's a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If you give this man a ride
Sweet family will die
Killer on the road, yeah

-jim morrison

Coincidentally, or maybe not, it has been said that jim wrote that portion of the song about zodiac.

...sorry for the off topic rant, I don't know how the letters for "this is the zodiac speaking" being present in Ted's name led to Jim morrison.

[Daxide]

It has all the letters but y?...

Not sure if that means much.

At first I thought you were speaking about anagrams, but the anagrams of theodore's name are pretty useless, even the ones with "zodiac" in them:
Zodiak Cheeky Snort
Zodiak Coherent Sky
Zodiak Cheery Knots
Zodiak Secret Honky
Zodiak Erects Honky
Zodiak Choke Sentry
Zodiak Chokes Entry
Zodiak Hockeys Tern
Zodiak Hockeys Rent
Zodiak Hockey Stern
Zodiak Hockey Terns
Zodiak Hockey Rents
Zodiak Trench Yokes
Zodiak Chesty Krone
Zodiak Scythe Krone
Zodiak Reckons They
Zodiak Necks Theory
Zodiak Cheek Nor Sty
Zodiak Cheek Nos Try
Zodiak Cheek Son Try
Zodiak Cheeks No Try
Zodiak Cheeks On Try
Zodiak Recent Oh Sky
Zodiak Recent Ho Sky
Zodiak Center Oh Sky
Zodiak Center Ho Sky
Zodiak Centre Oh Sky
Zodiak Centre Ho Sky
Zodiak Erect Hon Sky
Zodiak Heck En Tyros
Zodiak Heck En Story
Zodiak Heck Noes Try
Zodiak Heck Eons Try
Zodiak Heck Ones Try
Zodiak Sketch Yen Or
Zodiak Sketch Re Yon
Zodiak Sketch Rye No
Zodiak Sketch Rye On
Zodiak Sketch Ye Nor
Zodiak Sketchy En Or
Zodiak Sketchy Re No
Zodiak Sketchy Re On
odiak Cry Knee Host
Zodiak Cry Knee Shot
Zodiak Cry Keen Hots
Zodiak Cry Keen Host
...and on and on, and on and on...

Not sure if all the letters being present means much, but hey, it can't hurt to look into it...

My argument is purely statistical. If we pick a random set of names, how many of them will have all the letters of the sentence "This is the Zodiac speaking"?
Actually also the r is missing. I guess it depends if we use "Ted" or "Theo" or "Theodore". If we use Ted or Theo all letters but the "y" is present (although the y is PHONETICALLY identical to i in this case so it could be overlooked!) but we can use the most conservative scenario with "Theodore" were 2 letters are missing (y and r) and check how many other names share all the letters except two, or one or 0 with the sentence "This is the Zodiac speaking".
I can start with a small list

Number of nonshared letters:

William Gates: 3
Elon Musk: 3
Donald Trump: 4
James Damore: 4
Mark Zuckerberg: 4

This is just an example. Of course one would have to write a program and calculate the odds automatically using a long list (>1 k) of names but you get the idea.

[doranchak]

My argument is purely statistical. If we pick a random set of names, how many of them will have all the letters of the sentence "This is the Zodiac speaking"?

That would not paint a complete picture, because you also have to include all the other phrases that would imply some Zodiac connection, not just "This is the Zodiac speaking."

[AK Wilks]

When Ted was captured, the FBI created a 34 page inventory of items seized from the cabin.
The majority of the guns on that list were small caliber (.22 & .25) along with a 30-06 rifle which he probably needed to take deer with, as the smaller caliber guns would be inadequate at distance in the woods.

Ted’s preference for smaller caliber weapons is notable in the fact that Zodiac apparently also shared the same taste in firearms.

The Lake Herman Road attack was committed with a .22 pistol.

The cops mentioned a J.C. Higgins Model 80 as the potential weapon used. This is a .22 pistol used for target practice/camping. While looking for information about that gun, I came across this page which basically says the gun is a Sears branded High Standard Duramatic pistol.

JELBERG - In light of what you posted, what do you make of the following information? All others interested in this topic, what do you make, if anything, of the following information?

Not only was a .22 gun recovered from Ted's cabin, they recovered the following type of ammo. It was Winchester Western .22 Super X ammo, the same manufacturer and brand of ammo as used by Zodiac at Lake Herman Road. Consider that and what you posted in relation to a possible Zodiac crime, the first being one often discussed by many as a possible Zodiac crime, the murder of Domingos and Edwards at the Santa Barbara beach.

THE POSSIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 1963 SANTA BARBARA BEACH MURDERS OF DOMINGOS AND EDWARDS AND THE ZODIAC KILLER

There are many similarities between the Santa Barbara beach murders of Domingos and Edwards in June 1963 and the Zodiac Killer attack at Lake Berryessa in September 1969.

* In both murders we have as victims a male - female couple on a blanket by the water

* In both the attacker has a gun, knife and pre-cut rope.

* In both police know or believe the attacker orders female to tie male, then binds them both.

* And like the Zodiac Killer attack on 12/20/68 at Lake Herman Road, a victim in SB 63 is shot in the back while running away.

* Also the exact same type of ammo was used at Santa Barbara 1963 and Zodiac attack on Lake Herman Road on 12/20/68 - .22 Winchester Western Super X.

* Also the rifling of the bullets was the same, six right hand twists and grooves, indicating the same model of gun was used, police saying it was consistent with Sears JC Higgins pistol, and perhaps even the exact same weapon.

* There was an attempt to start an arson fire at Santa Barbara - in probable Zodiac victim Kathleen Johns her car was burned.

[Daxide]

My argument is purely statistical. If we pick a random set of names, how many of them will have all the letters of the sentence "This is the Zodiac speaking"?

That would not paint a complete picture, because you also have to include all the other phrases that would imply some Zodiac connection, not just "This is the Zodiac speaking."

How so? It's reasonable to assume that when Z was saying "This is the Zodiac speaking", he wanted to reveal his name as "This is Ted Kaczynski".
If I want to look at a name hiding in an anagram, I start from the most obvious place where someone is actually saying "This is Mr. X". And why would you dismiss it?
Following this logic, we can parse "This is the Zodiac speaking" into "This is / the Zodiac speaking/". Then it can be interpreted as This is /"Ted Kaczynski". "The Zodiac speaking" contains all the letters that are in Ted Kaczynski except "y" but y is phonetically identical to "i" in this context so one can not count it.
I don't see why one should look into arcane or odd places for anagrams. When we have someone saying "This is Mr. X speaking" , I first want to look at what that sentence might mean.
All the other sentences have much less weight regarding the name of the suspect.

[doranchak]

How so? It's reasonable to assume that when Z was saying "This is the Zodiac speaking", he wanted to reveal his name as "This is Ted Kaczynski".
If I want to look at a name hiding in an anagram, I start from the most obvious place where someone is actually saying "This is Mr. X". And why would you dismiss it?
Following this logic, we can parse "This is the Zodiac speaking" into "This is / the Zodiac speaking/". Then it can be interpreted as This is /"Ted Kaczynski". "The Zodiac speaking" contains all the letters that are in Ted Kaczynski except "y" but y is phonetically identical to "i" in this context so one can not count it.
I don't see why one should look into arcane or odd places for anagrams. When we have someone saying "This is Mr. X speaking" , I first want to look at what that sentence might mean.
All the other sentences have much less weight regarding the name of the suspect.

Because there are about 44.5 trillion ways to rearrange the letters in "Theodore Kaczynski". There will be many interesting phrases besides "This is the Zodiac speaking" that it is your duty to rule out. If you are claiming that "This is the Zodiac speaking" is not just a coincidence, then you have to prove that he didn't intend some OTHER phrase to give a hint to his name. Worse, "speaking" is missing the "p" and "g", which means you'd have to include phrases that are similarly imperfect.

[AK Wilks]

Good to see you Doranchak. As always, I appreciate your criticism, insights and thoughts.

I mostly agree with the points you're making. But I do agree with Daxide that the one salutation or greeting that Zodiac started almost all his letters with was in fact "This is is the Zodiac speaking". But I tend to agree with your overall point that statistically speaking it might not be that significant, especially because it is missing a letter P and a letter G.

What I've thought might be potentially somewhat significant, or at least mildly interesting, is that Ted is the only named suspect, and one of the few people overall, statistically speaking I would think, based on how few people have a "Z" in their names, plus the combination of all the other needed letters, whose name contains an anagram for THE ZODIAC.

If say, 1,000 names or 10,000 names were already entered into a computer database, maybe somebody could derive a program to see out of those names how many contain the letters for "THE ZODIAC" or even just "ZODIAC". I think the results would show that very few names can do that.

But I don't know if that would really tell us much. I do still find it at least somewhat interesting that of all the named suspects, Ted is the only one who could come up with the name "The Zodiac" out of the letters of his own name.

Theodore Kaczynski is one of the rare names that can. That you can also use the letters of his name to come very close to the statement that Z opened most of his letters with, "This Is The Zodiac Speaking", I find much less significant, but perhaps still of some possible interest.

T H E O D O R E --- K A C Z Y N S K I


T H E O D O R E --- K A C Z Y N S K I


THE ZODIAC

-------------------------------------------

THEODORE --- KACZYNSKI

THIS IS THE ZODIAC --- S_EAKIN_

But certainly I think all the other evidence presented here about Ted, the fact that he was a serial killer, wrote to newspapers demanding his words appear on the front page or innocents would die, dozens of shared words and phrases, handwriting matches, expressed hatred and desire to kill love making couples, college women he deemed promiscuous, college students and police, matching height and weight of Z descriptions, pictures of him matching the Z sketch fairly well, interest in and expertise at designing bombs and creating codes, leaving crossed lines inside circles at a crime scene, etc., etc., is much more compelling. See the first page here: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... =102&t=938 .

[Daxide]

How so? It's reasonable to assume that when Z was saying "This is the Zodiac speaking", he wanted to reveal his name as "This is Ted Kaczynski".
If I want to look at a name hiding in an anagram, I start from the most obvious place where someone is actually saying "This is Mr. X". And why would you dismiss it?
Following this logic, we can parse "This is the Zodiac speaking" into "This is / the Zodiac speaking/". Then it can be interpreted as This is /"Ted Kaczynski". "The Zodiac speaking" contains all the letters that are in Ted Kaczynski except "y" but y is phonetically identical to "i" in this context so one can not count it.
I don't see why one should look into arcane or odd places for anagrams. When we have someone saying "This is Mr. X speaking" , I first want to look at what that sentence might mean.
All the other sentences have much less weight regarding the name of the suspect.

Because there are about 44.5 trillion ways to rearrange the letters in "Theodore Kaczynski". There will be many interesting phrases besides "This is the Zodiac speaking" that it is your duty to rule out. If you are claiming that "This is the Zodiac speaking" is not just a coincidence, then you have to prove that he didn't intend some OTHER phrase to give a hint to his name. Worse, "speaking" is missing the "p" and "g", which means you'd have to include phrases that are similarly imperfect.

Why would I start from "Theodore Kaczynski" and rule out all the phrases besides "The Zodiac speaking"?
Actually I should start from "The Zodiac speaking" because that's the phrase Z signed his letters with, and see which suspect names match this phrase more closely. Since it's a phrase Z used to SIGN his letters with, I don't have to rule out all the possible sentences in the universe. I will restrict my focus to names.
Ross Sullivan, Arthur Leigh Allen and all those fake suspects have very few letters in common with this phrase. On the other hand, Ted Kaczynski shares all letters but "p" and "g".

Apart from that, the handwriting is an almost perfect match. The psychological profile of TK is very similar to Z. How many of you guys have bothered to read the Unabomber psychological report? Or his biography?
I don't live in the US so I think I was not conditioned by the fake connections and all the hype the media created around this case, and perhaps I can see the evidence with a less prejudiced mindset.