Zodiackillersite.com

Norse wrote:Can't think of many who have been convicted of a crime based on footprints. Nor many who have been cleared of a crime based on the same. Not outside the realm of detective literature, at least.

The LB footprints are interesting, and part of the case evidence. As such, they can't be dismissed as insignificant. But they prove nothing.

Unless they would have found the shoe in his possession with the same shoe print and soil embedded in them. ....as luck would not have it.

Have they ever explained the discrepancy between the thirteen inch long footprint in the DOJ report and the size 10 1/2 wing walker shoe which is often mentioned? Anyway the thing that got me interested in the footprints is on the "irregularity" thread this other guy said Kaczinsky was too light in weight to make the footprint. He also said TK was "cleared" by the FBI and the SFPD. When I didn't concede he got flustered and said he would leave the thread, but then he immediately came back on the thread. I've had people do this before----if you bring up Kaczinsky they try to quickly dismiss the possibility, but all of the "those are the facts" "evidence" they spout turns out to be hogwash. They get angry when you point out their errors. Maybe there is a "fact" which clears TK in the Zodiac case, but I haven't seen it yet.

EndOfTheWorld wrote:Maybe there is a "fact" which clears TK in the Zodiac case, but I haven't seen it yet.

There isn't an absolute, undeniable "fact" which clears any of the popular "suspects" in the Zodiac case. Which is why they remain popular.

Yeah, but my point is with TK they TRY to bring up a bunch of hogwash and they say "Those are the facts." A lot of Zodiac sleuthers have it engrained in their heads somehow that TK is not even a possibility, until you point out their folly. This has happened to me a couple times.

Fair enough. And pointing out holes in counter arguments is a worthy exercise in itself. But such holes don't go one inch towards validating the primary argument – the one on your part, that is.

If you think Ted may have been Z – good. But no amount of faulty arguments as to why he wasn't, is going to make that basic assumption any more likely.

Actually, I think it MAY go an inch or two toward "validating the primary argument." It's almost like these guys have a list of "points to be used against Ted Kaczyinski", all of which turn out to be false. Where did all these points come from? Who originally said he'd been cleared by the FBI and SFPD? Or that it's "proven he was elsewhere" during some of the murders? Somebody on one of these threads said he thought the case had been solved internally and just kept quiet. Could be.

Norse I agree with you about shoe prints. Unlike fingerprints or DNA, they are not unique to a specific person. EOTW at some forums TK is a disfavored suspect, because of board politics, personalities, misinformation, closed minds, agendas and/or honest differences of opinion.

I'm bumping the alibi and was he out of state thread, as that is one issue often incorrectly used against him as a suspect. But basically I have given up trying to correct all the misinformation out there. You can't open closed minds if they want to stay shut.

Basically my theory (and I'm entitled to it) is that it's more than MISinformation---it's DISinformation. TK only became a viable suspect after he was busted as the Unabomber and people came to realize the amazing similarities in the way he messed with the press. By that time it was less of a pressing matter to actually nail down somebody for the Zodiac crimes. TK got life without parole so he's not killing any more citizens. Of course they still would have liked to nail down the Zodiac. Two possible reasons (not mutually exclusive) why they didn't: (1) When David ratted him out, part of the deal was he would not be prosecuted for any previous crimes, if he pled guilty to the Unabomber crimes. This could have been negotiated by either David and his lawyers or TK and his lawyers, or both, and/or (2) they were afraid if they did get TK for the Zodiac crimes and he went to trial, he would start blabbing about his experience with MK Ultra. Bad public relations, for some folks, to say the least. So, the decision having been made at the highest levels not to even investigate TK for the Zodiac murders, or, possibly, not to prosecute him after he WAS investigated and determined to be the Zodiac, disinformation comes into play to just get people like me to quit talking about it. Just a theory.

EndOfTheWorld wrote:Yeah, the DOJ report says the footprint is thirteen inches long. That's a lot bigger than a size 10 1/2 wing walker shoe. I don't know if this is actually explained anywhere. However Kaczinsky is the only criminal I've ever heard of who actually had a fake shoe-size device in his home, so that might figure in to this situation. As commented elsewhere a thirteen inch long shoe is a very large shoe size.

That is interesting in light of something found in the Kaczynski cabin. As you mention he created a shoe with a smaller size sole attached to the bottom.

Apparently it was invented as a rather clever way to fool police about his own size 9 to 10 shoes, by putting a smaller shoe underneath. It could also work by putting a larger shoe beneath it. See it below.


The strange thing is he did most of his KNOWN crimes by mail, or a few by placing bombs in parking lots or on cement. So why did he create this shoe device?

The thirteen inch long footprint described in the DOJ report would be huge foot. Has this ever been squared with the idea put out by LE of 10 1/2 inch wing walkers? Anyway, to create a false LARGER footprint all you would have to do is wear a huge shoe, I guess. Maybe stuff some newspaper in the toe. The device found in TK's cabin would create a SMALLER footprint, but it shows that TK had the idea, anyway, of creating false footprints. As the Unabomber, he definitely used disguises.