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Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:49 pm
by snooter
How did tk abbreviate friday was it fry or fri???....i seem to remember a letter where friday was abbreviated as "fry"

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:35 pm
by EndOfTheWorld
I read somewhere that the relevant years of his journal---that is, the Zodiac active years---were either not released or not found. Is this true?

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:04 pm
by AK Wilks
EndOfTheWorld wrote:I read somewhere that the relevant years of his journal---that is, the Zodiac active years---were either not released or not found. Is this true?


That is true. Another member here made contact with the Kaczynski archive at U of M, and if he can't get some copies sent, I may go there in person. Yes I would like to read his no doubt sanitized journal entries for 1968-1970, if they are at the archive. They did recover a lot of Ted's journals, in which he describes all of his Unabomber crimes. As the Unabomber Ted was now gaining some approval for his actions in the radical environmentalist and primitivist anarchist movements and press. But in those same journals he says journals that contain descriptions of unspecified "other" crimes have been "burned or buried", because their revelations would prove "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad PR at this time." Certainly gunning down or stabbing teenagers and young adults in lovers lane type areas would not fit in with his growing fame as socially and politically motivated terrorist striking at the high tech and logging industries.

Thanks for your interest and support Margie, Snooter and all who have contributed to this and other "Ted threads." What is the JK Fry code? I don't think I am familiar with it. Can you elaborate a little and/or give a link?

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:07 pm
by snooter
"Fry" as friday is in the 7.31.69 letter to the chronicle..who abbreviates friday as fry??..well not me..just wondered if tk ever abbreviated friday this way...i have no knowledge of jkfry...as ak wrote please let us know

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:18 pm
by Seagull
The JK Fry theory was introduced to this forum here-

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=2382

It started out in the public section but then I moved it to the private suspects section after names of living people started showing up. There are links to the original source of the theory in the thread.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:52 pm
by AK Wilks
OK thanks. Yeah I missed that stuff. I think Margie's point may have been that there are very few minds that can create something as complex and multi-spacial as codes involving overlays of maps, drawings and words, and Ted is one of those very few minds. And of the named suspects, the only one. Probably true.

The JK FRY overlay theory is interesting. And at a quick glance a few things do seem to match up in an odd way. But I have never been much interested in those types of theories because I never see anything convincing me that Z gave clues that this is what we are supposed to do and if you overlay any map, drawing and words, by chance and the pattern seeking human mind, some interesting formations will seem to happen.

I would say looking at the 340 and Ted's codes, there are several interesting points of similarity. And IMO none of the named major suspects have the demonstrated interest, knowledge and skills to create the Zodiac 340 except Kaczynski and Penn. And when you add the further criteria of looking like the sketch and a proven desire and ability to make bombs and kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need, you are left only with Kaczynski.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:32 pm
by Norse
AK Wilks wrote:
And IMO none of the named major suspects have the demonstrated interest, knowledge and skills to create the Zodiac 340 except Kaczynski and Penn. And when you add the further criteria of looking like the sketch and a proven desire and ability to make bombs and kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need, you are left only with Kaczynski.


That might be the case, but unless we assume that Z lies hidden somewhere among the high profile suspects (as treated by us, mainly, the Zodiac buffs and amateurs), that doesn't mean very much. Personally I think there's a decent chance that Z is a known suspect, but in the sense that he may be among the hundreds (or thousands) of people who were considered interesting enough to interview and investigate during the course of the case. I'm willing to bet a substantial amount that there are multiple people in that category who possessed the necessary skill to create the 340.

Plus: The sketch is debatable. Many would claim Ted doesn't resemble it, others would say other candidates are better matches - others again would say the sketch is largely pointless other than indicating nigh-generic traits.

And: It's debatable whether Z had either a proven desire or an actual ability to make bombs. To kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need? Absolutely - no argument there. But a desire to make bombs is debatable. I think he had a desire to scare people - and cause panic. Which he did, without ever having to worry about actually constructing a functional bomb (and according to several people who know far more than me about explosives, he didn't either).


The JK FRY overlay theory is interesting. And at a quick glance a few things do seem to match up in an odd way. But I have never been much interested in those types of theories because I never see anything convincing me that Z gave clues that this is what we are supposed to do and if you overlay any map, drawing and words, by chance and the pattern seeking human mind, some interesting formations will seem to happen.


Agreed - 100%. It's the basic problem with all theories of this sort: They presuppose that the theorist has managed to guess what Z's true intention was. Step 1: Come up with an intention (usually that Z wanted us to discover his name in various hidden shapes and forms throughout the evidence - and frequently far beyond the evidence too). Step 2: Come up with a specific method he used to encrypt his communications, one which doesn't follow logically from any known evidence, but one the theorist has divined is the correct one. 3: Go look for confirmation of 1 and 2 in anything remotely related to the Z case. 4: Claim that it can't possibly be a coincidence that you have extracted "daddy was da zod" from the material.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:47 pm
by AK Wilks
Wesley and others. Keep in mind that as the Unabomber Ted was writing for an audience about what were important issues to him. Most of the later Unabomber writing is in a fairly dry, academic style.

Yet Ted could write in a cruder style more like Zodiac. Go to page one of this thread and look at the shared words and phrases of Zodiac and Ted.

They include nasty, fat ass, Bang!, etc., etc.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:45 pm
by bigbuckdownnc
This article shows letters previously posted in this thread but the similarities are amazing. He uses hyphens between words like in the red phantom letter and long lines to separate paragraphs like in the bomb letter. But has anyone seen the last letter? It’s a Halloween card that has a symbol and on the inside that says hope you have a blast? Has anyone confirmed if this is real?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-unabombe ... 59693.html

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:32 pm
by Jelberg
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