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Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:49 am
by bmichelle
Yahoo News has an article out today saying they are going to release writings of Ted K through a series of articles. There are 14 pages of his hand writings available today on there. The pages are too large for my phone to upload. I thought maybe AK Wilks may want to tackle this. I will try to paste the link

Day 1
http://news.yahoo.com/letters-from-a-se ... e-unabombe

Day 2
http://news.yahoo.com/falling-in-love-w ... 40275.html

Third article
http://news.yahoo.com/the-unabomber-tak ... 49030.html

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:45 pm
by AK Wilks
Thanks bmichelle, doranchak, Seagull, and others who alerted me to these letters. Yes if someone could upload them here that would be great.

Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.

Best regards, Ted

(Below there is large) Z

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Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:37 pm
by Seagull
AK these came out huge which might be good for some purposes but over all rather annoying. I will email you the individual pages and maybe you know how to shrink them so they are more readable.

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Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:05 am
by doranchak
Yahoo News has uploaded 5 PDFs to Scribd. I've downloaded them and shared them here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Google Drive has a pretty decent PDF browser - simply click on the file and you'll see a preview of the pages. Then click the down-arrow icon if you want to get a copy of the original PDF.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:50 am
by AK Wilks
Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.




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Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.


Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:41 pm
by Dreamnine.nine
Yeah, but that's not uncommon, AK. People often write,'Meanwhile,' or 'However,'. It does show a good command of English, though; but spelling Christmas as Christmass doesn't.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:00 pm
by AK Wilks
Valid point. Yes other people say "I wish you a happy" and start a sentence "Meanwhile,". Also both the lower case "L" 's in "meanwhile" have a slight hockey stick quality, a slight curl at the end.

But it's not about one or two shared words or phrases like "I wish you a happy" or starting a sentence with "Meanwhile, ".

Go to the first page of this thread and read on. It's about this being added to the more than 50 examples of ZK/TK shared words and phrases like around in the snow, contrary to what police say, information only I and the police know, Deplorable, trigger mechanism, goes bang, watched from cover, rather messy, etc., etc., etc. Plus shared misspellings like ZK Dangeroue , TK Yesterdae, etc. Plus the amazing handwriting matches.

No other suspect or POI has been shown to have several words and phrases matches, let alone anywhere near 20. And here we have over 50, and it grows each time new TK letters are released. Not to mention TK is the only named suspect who is a serial killer, code creator, bomb designer and wrote to newspapers demanding his words appear on the front page or innocents would die. But to each his own. I am frustrated with the case. I really don't care anymore.

Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.




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Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.


Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:04 am
by EndOfTheWorld
AK Wilks, I understand your frustration that nobody is interested in TK as the Z. I think the average person is only interested in a serial killer to the extent that he may still be walking around killing people. When they find out TK is locked up for life without parole, they lose interest. Some of the LE community are also in this category. But that doesn't explain why the Zodiac buffs aren't interested. I've been attacked very ferociously after bringing him up as a suspect on a couple sites.

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:04 pm
by AK Wilks
EndOfTheWorld wrote:AK Wilks, I understand your frustration that nobody is interested in TK as the Z. I think the average person is only interested in a serial killer to the extent that he may still be walking around killing people. When they find out TK is locked up for life without parole, they lose interest. Some of the LE community are also in this category. But that doesn't explain why the Zodiac buffs aren't interested. I've been attacked very ferociously after bringing him up as a suspect on a couple sites.


Well I wouldn't say nobody is interested in the TK as Z theory. Doug Oswell, author of the excellent book The Unabomber and The Zodiac, runs a website focused on the theory, http://www.unazod.com, which has a great message board http://unazod.com/phpBB/index.php , with 40 members. For anyone really interested in the evidence showing TK as Zodiac and the Tylenol Killer, I would advise joining. And here at ZKS at any given time there are around 7 to 15 members who have some interest in TK and sometimes post on TK threads. People like AweShucks, Luke, Linda, Jem, Ricardo, Drew and others. And some people who do not have a particular focus on TK as a suspect, like Seagull, Tahoe, Quicktrader, Doranchak, up2something and others, have contributed some very good information, research and ideas on TK. People come and go, some lose interest in the Z case. Some get frustrated with the authorities lack of action on TK, for whatever reasons, and stopped being very active in research and posting. On the other hand some new members have joined who have contributed some great research and ideas on TK, like Darla Jones, Marclean, EnoOfTheWorld and a few more.

But yes, overall, TK as Z has not made major inroads into the larger Z message board world. One the one hand it baffles me, because Ted is the ONLY named suspect who is 1) a known proven serial killer 2) designed, built and used bombs 3) created complex codes that the FBI could not break 4) wrote to newspapers demanding his words appear on the front page or innocents would die 5) had a connection to Deer Lodge, MT 6) used over 50 words and phrases that the Zodiac did 7) has handwriting with 3 stroke "K" 's, 5 stroke "M" 's, checkmark "r" 's, and is overall virtually indistinguishable from Zodiac's, as Marclean's recent work shows 7) looks like the SF sketch 8) was in north CA at the time and has no timeline conflicts 9) had an interest in guns and hunting 10) drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene. Etc., etc.

But on the other hand I now accept that Ted is just not the Z suspect most people are looking for. I think it is partially for the reason you identify, he is a known figure and is locked up. I think most people want to investigate an unknown person, they want a movie ending were Zodiac is revealed as ...what? The boy next door? The reclusive neighbor? Somebody who knew some of the victims, or lived in Riverside and/or Vallejo? I don't know. I give up.

I've told some people here privately that I got my first ( non-crime) article published, and other things are happening in my writing career that seem promising. So there are a few ongoing TK and Z FOIA projects I am going to finish, then probably announce my semi-retirement from the Zodiac hunt. Overall I have just not been successful in getting a lot of people in the Z world interested in TK, or the authorities to follow through on concrete action, so it is probably close to time to give up and concentrate on areas I have had more success in, and are less frustrating and more rewarding.

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Thanks to SEAGULL for passing along these documents to me. A lot of good printing from Ted here, so it is very well suited for handwriting comparisons to Zodiac. I will have all the pages posted later, and make some comparisons to Z handwriting. But right off from the start, a bird that flies near the ocean noticed that Kaczynski's description at top of page 5, sixth line down, of wasting time "hew and haw and fiddle around" is very similar to Zodiac's description of the police wasting time "fiddle and fart around " in LA Times letter!

So both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski describe wasting time as "fiddle around".

That is interesting in and of itself, but even more so when considered along with the dozens and dozens of other word and phrase matches, like "around in the snow", "contrary to what police say", "deplorable", "rather messy", etc, and the handwriting matches like three stroke "K" 's, five stroke "M" 's, etc. See them all starting here: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... =102&t=250

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Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.




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Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.


Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.


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Thanks to MARCLEAN who did some amazing work showing the incredible similarity between Zodiac handwriting and Kaczynski handwriting.

Marclean wrote:OK !!! Mr. Ak Willks !!! ;)
I'm looking at various correspondences the Unabomber (MF ), and I will try to "build" an entire letter from ZKMF to see what the outcome.
Marcelo


AK Wilks: Wow great idea, look forward to seeing it.

I resized your work so people can see all of it in one image.

The top part of the following image, the Zodiac letter and Kaczynski application comparison, was done by AweShucks. The new excellent work at the bottom, with the Zodiac car door, Zodiac and Kaczynski word comparisons, was done by Marclean.

Marclean: I did some "play" with paint, in fact the similarity in spelling [handwriting, word formation, spacing - AK Wilks] is giant.
It is one of the POI (my) favorite
Marcelo :)

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Marclean: Thanks Mr Ak . :)
Hello .
Started today, I had taken a few days to complete.
But, I was horrified with the beginning, leaving me with it and excited to continue.
I am using the following criteria:
1- Do not force letters that are more similar.
2-Use words or whole or partial to better reliability.

share this post an image link "draft", because in fact, it's worth it (in my opinion).

I repeat.
It is frightening resemblance, so I think it's worth me finish this
It is also frightening that do not have the authorities have done DNA testing with Kazinski.
Marcelo

"Base Letter" Una . : Image

"Zodiac Letter Image

"The construction Draft Z-Una"

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ps:I will take a few weeks, for three reasons.
Try to be precise, something about the Z I have done and lack of time.
But I will definitely finish this. ;)


Marclean: Hello. :D

I figured it would take longer, but I managed, after get the hang of doing this in a few hours.
It is not accurate, but I did the best I could.
below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to ZMF. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif

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Marclean: As always, I made this little game with the letters in "caps Lk" letters" TK.
(I had thought of that when I made the anagram, but only now had time)
I reiterate, the resemblance is giant with ZMF is huge.
Marcelo :)


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif

Re: Kaczynski and Zodiac - Shared Words, Phrases and Handwri

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:09 pm
by margie
If it matters at all - I am thoroughly convinced that no one BUT TK could have been Z. The pool of people that could have spaced their words the same as Z, written phrases like Z, written to the same papers and demanded the same things as Z, LOOKED exactly like the Z composite from the Stine murder (IMO), AND (as if those things are not enough) created the 'overlay' or 'JK Fry" code (which I am 100% on board with as well) is a very shallow baby pool with perhaps only a scant handful of people sitting in the 3 inches of water in their Speedos. (What??)

I could go on for hours about why I believe that TK was Z. I do believe that when TK made the switch to his Unabomber persona that he 'destroyed' any Z evidence that he felt would tie him directly to the crimes. I think that we have enough of his writings and code work to piece it together though. I think that has already been accomplished in fact. Perhaps one day the FBI will find that one sliver of paper from his cabin that talks about his days as Z ... buried in another code or book or some blood on the bottom of a shoe that he wore to a crime scene.

TK did give us the information in the JK Fry theory (IMO) and that is all being worked out now by Mr. Clemons (sp). For me though ... I don't need any more proof.

Above statements are all IMO!