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Victor wrote:

Nachtsider wrote:

Patinky wrote:AK may differ with my opinion but if Ted is Zodiac he might not own up to being Zodiac because he likely would face the death penalty if tried and found guilty.

I don't think that's the reason why Ted, if Zodiac, might refuse to cop to the Zodiac crimes. I think it's more of Ted not wanting to be remembered as a 'sexually frustrated creep'.

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Considering T.K. was, from what I understand, extremely unsuccessful with women, had even considered a sex change operation for acceptance, lived alone in a cabin, and got his "bangs" via the bombs he mailed off, I think he knows he's got no reason to be worried how he's remembered.

Believe it or not Ted as the Unabomber is a hero to many in the radical environmental movement and primitivist anarchist groups. He even has some followers in academia and the broader anti-technology groups. They see Ted as a political terrorist using bombs to fight the corporate technocrats. Ted loves this. Ted does not want to be seen as a sexually frustrated psychopathic serial killer who gunned down teenagers in lovers lanes.

AK Wilks wrote:
Believe it or not Ted as the Unabomber is a hero to many in the radical environmental movement and primitivist anarchist groups. He even has some followers in academia and the broader anti-technology groups. They see Ted as a political terrorist using bombs to fight the corporate technocrats. Ted loves this. Ted does not want to be seen as a sexually frustrated psychopathic serial killer who gunned down teenagers in lovers lanes.

Sorry but I'm referring to LE. If there is sufficient evidence that T.K. is The Z., I don't see why L.E. doesn't proceed with closing this infamous cold case.
That doesn't hinge on how T.K. wants to be remembered nor can you prosecute a dead man.
Kindly.

The reason why LE doesn't close the Zodiac case along with the Unabomber one? Rightfully or wrongfully, they don't take the Unabomber-Zodiac theory seriously.

We all doubt the current DNA SFPD does or does not have from the Zodiac Letters, therefore there is nothing to compare Ted to.
Techniques have improved dramatically since the SFPD evidence was tested years ago.
All they need do now is swab with distilled water for touch DNA. I have no idea what will prompt SFPD to re open this case and spend some
money on DNA recovery. Perhaps there is evidence in private possession which we can get tested for DNA, such as the items Sandy Betts has.
We are all not going to live forever here. Based on the belief by experts that the same person who wrote the Zodiac letters wrote the Bates letters,
I am hoping we can track down the definitive DNA from Cheri Jo Bates Killer, the hair roots, the cigarette butt, the Timex watch, touch DNA from
something and load it into CODIS for a possible match. If we can get DNA from Cheri Jo, and there is mtDNA from her Killer recovered, then we may have
the Zodiac, and one thing leads to another. Now days DNA can tell you what the suspect looks like, including hair color and eye color, ethnic background.

Nachtsider wrote:The reason why LE doesn't close the Zodiac case along with the Unabomber one? Rightfully or wrongfully, they don't take the Unabomber-Zodiac theory seriously.

Well...you may be right.

But there is no such thing as "LE". In my pursuit of this case and related cases I have been in contact with the FBI, SFPD, RPD, CALDOJ, OCDA, police in Illinois and Ohio, etc., etc.

RPD seems to have no interest in Zodiac, let alone TK as Zodiac. Some other departments on the Z case did not seem to have much interest in TK as Z.

But other departments and/or persons at departments did seem to have a serious interest, judging by their follow up, which included writing letters to federal prison to try to get Ted's DNA, and doing other things which I doubt they would have done had they had no interest in the theory.

Some of these efforts are ongoing.

But the bottom line is the case remains unsolved, and I apparently was not able to get enough serious interest in TK as a suspect in enough departments to get all the things done that need to be done.

TECHNOPHOBIA

Is the name of the novel written by Joe LaFollette in 1985, based on long conversations with his friend David Kaczynski. The plot is about a Berkeley professor who hates computers, in particular an artifical intelligence system named LAURA. He starts doing KNIFE MURDERS in a war against society.

Hmm, sounds like anyone David Kaczynski would have known?

The information from David is consistent with Ted doing knife based personal murders like Zodiac, or Valerie Percy, or others. Or was just a figment of David and Joe's imagination.

When I personally asked David to give his DNA to be compared to what I thought was possible Zodiac DNA, David refused. He told me he didn't think Ted was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer, but he refused to give DNA on the grounds that Ted could be "exposed to a possible death penalty." Of course Ted would only face a death penalty if he actually was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer.

The only copy of the book is in the Library of Congress.

Here is one of the very few excerpts I know of:

"Life as a psychosocial eunuch was too much for him
and he had snapped. I was witnessing the demise
of a scientist. It only reinforced my prejudice towards
this profession of Judases which would sell out the human
race for a laboratory and a sportscar and a Mother machine."

Edited and with new discoveries. Look at more of the shared words, phrases and styles of Ted K and Zodiac, most found by the excellent research of Doug Oswell, some others by myself, Jem, Linda, Kite.

Z = In that epasode the police were wondering as to how I could shoot & hit my victims in the dark. August, 1969 Letter.
K = Well, never mind that stupid episode anyway. GX18-20104, p.22.

Z = The one thing I ask of you is this, please help me. Belli Letter, 1969.
K = But the point is this: If there is such a solution, no one at present seems to know just what it is. 1971 Essay.

Z = It is more fun than killing wild game in the forrest because man is the most dangerou[s] anamal of all. To kill something gives me the most thrilling experience. Three-Part Cipher, 1969.
K = I drove up to Humboldt county for deer hunting.... deer hunting is very exciting. Turchie Affidavit, Addendum, 1996.
He knew how to protect himself from heat, cold, rain, dangerous animals, etc. Unabomber, Manifesto, 1995.

Z = The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motor cicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars & sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover. Stine Letter, 1969.
K = For example, a variety of noise-making devices: power mowers, radios, motorcycles, etc. If the use of these devices is unrestricted, people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the noise. Manifesto, 1995.
When I see a motorcyclist tearing up the mountain meadows ... I want to kick him in the face while he is dying. GX-2003F, p. 11.
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski are annoyed by and comment on motorcycles making a loud noise.

Z = I shall (on top of every thing else) torture all 13 of my slaves that I have wateing for me in Paradice. Some I shall tie over ant hills and watch them scream & twich and squirm. Others shall have pine splinters driven under their nails & then burned. Others shall be placed in cages & fed salt beef untill they are gorged then I shall listen to their pleass for water and I shall laugh at them. Others will hang by their thumbs & burn in the sun then I will rub them down deep heat to warm them up. Others I shall skin them alive & let them run around screaming. The Mikado Letter, 1970.
K = I hadn't previously been troubled by rats around here, but I just discovered that my pack has been chewed up so badly that it is nearly ruined ... This means some deadfalls are going to be set. I hope I catch one of those [expletive] alive--I will torture it to death in the most fiendish manner I can devise. Journal entry, July 31, 1974.

From Doug Oswell http://www.unazod.com:


Z = 2 cops pulled a goof.Seven-Page letter, 1969.
K = The FBI is a joke.New York Times letter, 1995.


Z = As of yet I have left no fingerprints behind me contrary to what the police say. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.
K = Contrary to what the FBI has suggested, our bombing at the California Forestry Association was in no way inspired by the Oklahoma City bombing. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = The Map COUPLED WITH THIS code will tell you where the bomb is set. Map Bomb Letter 1970
K = and COUPLED WITH THIS the trait of hypersensitivity. FC to Earth First letter

Z = police better get off their fat asses if they want to catch me. Zodiac, LA Times letter, 1971.
K = She had a fat ass. Ellen poem.

Z = do something "nasty". Zodiac Exorcist letter, 1974.
K = this "nasty" affair. Ellen letter.

Z = Suggests body can be found AROUND IN THE SNOW. Pines Card 1971.
K = Suggests after shooting a rabbit its body can be found "AROUND IN THE SNOW." Technological Slavery, on page 400.

Z = Police should have "sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover." Zodiac Stine Letter, October 13, 1969, to SF Chronicle.
K = "I went down there and watched, from cover, a guy with a bulldozer...". Unabomber: The Secret Life of Ted Kaczynski, by Chris Waits and Dave Shors, p. 278.
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski descibe hiding from and watching enemies behind forestry as from "cover", a military term.

Z = "was a negro about 40 -45 rather shabbly dressed." Zodiac Letter of August 4, 1969, to SF Examiner.
K = "their homes looked shabby". Technological Slavery, p. 397.


Z = BE SURE TO PRINT the part I marked out on page 3 or I shall do my thing.
K = BE SURE TO tell us where and how our material will be published and how long it will take to appear in PRINT once we have sent in the manuscript.

Z = 'I am mildly cerous as to how much money you have on my head now?' and 'What is the price tag now?'.
K = '25,000 dollar reward offered. Rather flattering.'
Analysis: Both commented on their bounties in a boastful way.

Z = DANGEROUE. 408 Code
K = YESTERDAE. Unabomber Code
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski have a code in which in order to increase difficulty of solution they change the last consonant (S, Y) in a word to the vowel "E".

Bumped for singing detective and others.

See handwriting comps on page one of this thread.

One standout I have found is that Z always used a wide open 4. (that I have found) so far. The down stroke is right at the end. Ted nearly always used a closed 4. If you were disguising your writing it's something I don't think you would conciously do to the numbers, I think you would be more focused on the letters.

Mr lowe wrote:One standout I have found is that Z always used a wide open 4. (that I have found) so far. The down stroke is right at the end. Ted nearly always used a closed 4. If you were disguising your writing it's something I don't think you would conciously do to the numbers, I think you would be more focused on the letters.

If you wish to disregard that both Z and TK created codes, designed bombs, made bomb threats, used crossed lines inside a circle as a signature, drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene, used dozens of the same words and phrases and had handwriting matches like three stroke K's, five stroke M's, checkmark R's, etc., etc., if you personally wish to disregard all that because Ted nearly "always" did a closed 4 and Z an open 4, than that is your right. You may disregard Ted. We will miss you, we will mourn your absence, but we will try to carry on.

In all seriousness, if you or anyone wants to disregard Ted, or any other suspect, for any reason, it is OK by me.

I think it is silly to disregard a ton of evidence because of any one thing, but that is me.

You said Ted "nearly always" did a closed 4, well I think he usually did, but not always. This looks like an open 4 to me here, in the second line in the 1964.



Zodiac often but not always did a 3 stroke "k", Kaczynski often but not always did a 3 stroke "k". Zodiac often did a 5 stroke "m", same as Ted. Other matches include the checkmark "r", short caps and bottom on the capital "I" and frequent cursive looped back on the "d". Look at Ted's "k" in "Park" - a clear 3 stroke. Morrill said few people in the general population do 3 stroke "k" or 5 stroke "m" so those would be things he would look for. I also blew up the Ted letter to the boy.

GRAPHICS AND RESEARCH BY AK WILKS AND AWESHUCKS - A HANDWRITING COMPARISON - ZODIAC AND KACZYNSKI





From Doug Oswell, the Application Bio by Kaczynski to the U Cal Berkeley, December 1966.

The writing looks particularly Zodiac like to me, compare it to the Belli letter.