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Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:00 am
by Darla Jones
http://www.handwriting.org/theodore-kaczynski.html

Not sure if anyone else has seen this before.

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Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:34 am
by Quicktrader
Rules him out, imo...no curvy 'f', different '+' symbols, too. Not the handwriting of Zodiac, imo.

QT

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:18 pm
by Darla Jones
Quicktrader wrote:Rules him out, imo...no curvy 'f', different '+' symbols, too. Not the handwriting of Zodiac, imo.

QT


The first thing I noticed about both the Zodiac Killer's writing and Ted Kaczynski's writing is the number of different handwriting styles they both had. I personally only use one, ever. I would be hard pressed to write in cursive. Yet, Ted is writing journal after journal in cursive writing and then letter after letter in print. As well as in a very complicated number code, which uses a different handwriting style all together, (and also typing). It's as if he has different personalities and you can tell who's talking by the handwriting.

This is also true for all of the EAR/ONS documents as well. ONS used four different handwriting styles. They are so different that there was some speculation that two people had written them. In the Custer paper, ONS uses both script and print and, in his punishment paper he has two completely different handwriting styles, yet they appear to be from the same person.

I'm not ruling anyone out based on handwriting samples. None of these criminals had just one style of handwriting.

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:33 pm
by traveller1st
Not sure I have seen that before. Thanks for posting it DJ.

QT you are comparing print to cursive. Not a reliable thing to do. Regarding cursive it's actually not a bad example. Z gave us a small sample of cursive on the SLA card and at a quick glance 2 out of the 3 characters are quite similar to Ted's in this letter. Those would be the S and and the A, the l though in Ted's writing seems to be tight and pointed sometimes barely displaying the gap in the loop. Z's example is rather more open and rounded.

That's my thought's on it anyway.

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:50 pm
by AK Wilks
Quicktrader wrote:Rules him out, imo...no curvy 'f', different '+' symbols, too. Not the handwriting of Zodiac, imo.

QT


I agree with Darla and Trav. Above all you cannot compare cursive to print. Ted's print writing is very Z like, including checkmark r's, three stroke k's, five stroke m's, low cross t's, overall feel and spacing, and several other matches, not even considering that Z may have disguised some writing.

These samples and comps below should show that TK and Z have very similar handwriting. Several people with little interest in TK as a suspect have told me that the handwriting is the closest match among the major named suspects. Take a look and decide for yourself.

Zodiac often but not always did a 3 stroke "k", Kaczynski often but not always did a 3 stroke "k". Zodiac often did a 5 stroke "m", same as Ted. Other matches include the checkmark "r", short caps and bottom on the capital "I" and frequent cursive looped back on the "d". Look at Ted's "k" in "Park" - a clear 3 stroke. Morrill said few people in the general population do 3 stroke "k" or 5 stroke "m" so those would be things he would look for. I also blew up the Ted letter to the boy.

GRAPHICS AND RESEARCH BY AK WILKS AND AWESHUCKS - A HANDWRITING COMPARISON - ZODIAC AND KACZYNSKI

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From Doug Oswell, the Application Bio by Kaczynski to the U Cal Berkeley, December 1966.

The writing looks particularly Zodiac like to me, compare it to the Belli letter.

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TAHOE 27: You have always provided nice comparisons AK!

Ted's writing has always been closest to Zodiac's than most others, imo.

Since I don't believe Zodiac responsible for all the crimes or letters, many of these guys still remain intriguing. If Zodiac wasn't responsible for some, who were the ones who were?

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:15 pm
by ophion1031
Has anyone just flat out asked Ted if he is Z or if he had any connection to the case?

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:39 pm
by AK Wilks
ophion1031 wrote:Has anyone just flat out asked Ted if he is Z or if he had any connection to the case?


I bumped the thread for you. Read from page one of that thread.

Doug Oswell asked him and Ted declined to provide an alibi for any Z dates.

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:24 am
by Darla Jones
I came across this opinion letter from Theodore R. Kaczynski extolling the merits of liberals.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988 ... las-l-word

Liberal Gifts
October 17, 1988|By Theodore R. Kaczynski.

LOMBARD — Isn`t it puzzling that lately the ``L`` word is used so pejoratively?
That the word ``liberal`` is used to evoke something bad? Here are some things that the liberals have given us: Social Security, later the Social Security COLAs, federal deposit insurance, unemployment insurance, the right to join or not to join a union, the GI Bill (giving educational opportunities to veterans), Medicare and student loans for education. By what twist of the imagination can anyone call the above bad? Let us treat the word ``liberal`` with the respect it deserves.

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:08 am
by capricorn
After reading some of Teds' letters and poetry (the one about Ellen and her derriere), I think Ted has the same sense of mid-western humor I have seen in many of the family members and friends I have known from that area and era.

This Christmas card to Melvin Belli looks almost identical to me as the other examples of his printing shown here. I wonder if Ted wrote some of these "Z" letters (while being completely innocent of any involvement in the murders)? It would be great if Wilks or someone could connect with Ted and send him copies of these writings asking him if he wrote them or what he thinks of them and the similarity to his own handwriting and printing.

It would be so interesting to know if Ted is curious about the Zodiac and has followed the case or perhaps even reads here and elsewhere about him. Since he is not a suspect by LE, just who (other than ALLEN) would he suspect out of all those named so far or would he have his own poi who has not been named?

Re: Newspaper Articles on Kaczynski

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:17 am
by capricorn
Sorry to go ot but if LE wanted to test for Ted's dna and has not been able to obtain it through their normal procedures, these letters would certainly have it as well as his fingerprints.