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Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:56 am
by Tahoe27
While I won't get into the mix of what can come out of the ciphers via anagrams, etc., I will say I have always thought TK's handwriting was the closest match there is to Zodiac's. To me, that is undeniable, but... to each his own. :)

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:28 am
by doranchak
I agree that the handwriting is eerily similar. Makes me wonder, what exactly does the FBI say that definitively rules Ted out as Z?

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:35 pm
by AK Wilks
Thanks Tahoe & Doranchak. It is a common misperception that the SFPD & the FBI 1) did extensive investigations of Ted as Zodiac and 2) that he was definitively cleared of being Z. Both are false and I will do a detailed post on this tonight or tomorrow.

This is for Morf, who noted that Zodiac often linked the top of a capital "T" to an adjacent "h", and asked if Ted ever did the same. He often did. The top part is a note Ted wrote in prison, bottom is a Zodiac letter. Also note the matches on the three stroke k, and matches on the a, n, y, o and u, and overall spacing and feel. (Comp by Doug Oswell). I do not know if Ted's tuna complaint was resolved, but overall he eats better in prison than he did in his cabin.

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And this great start by Marclean on a full project of comps. Zodiac writing on top, Kaczynski writing on bottom. Amazing IMO, thanks to others who have or will chime in, pro, con or otherwise. Compare the Zodiac "k" in "speaking" below to the Ted "k" above, in "Thank".


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Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:48 pm
by Marclean
Hello. :D

I figured it would take longer, but I managed, after get the hang of doing this in a few hours.
It is not accurate, but I did the best I could.
below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to ZMF. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif

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Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:07 pm
by Marclean
As always, I made this little game with the letters in "caps Lk" letters" TK.
(I had thought of that when I made the anagram, but only now had time)
I reiterate, the resemblance is giant with ZMF is huge.
Marcelo :)


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:36 pm
by Marclean
Once you have done this reconstruction , can BS mine, I do not know if it's silly, I came to my mind the music of Beatles (HELP ME). :roll:
this stretch

Help me if you can I'm feeling down
And I do appreciate you being 'round
Help me get my feet back on the ground
Will not you please, please, help me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ApstMKNEMI

Do not think he really wanted to help, it was liar and a fake AS MF.
A poor soul !!

Marcelo

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:46 pm
by Tahoe27
In this link provided by Tom V., Vince Repetto shows up and talk about Ted:



Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:06 pm
by AK Wilks
Marclean - great work. Thanks again.

Tahoe- I'll eventually watch it all, but when does he talk about Ted? At about what time in the video? Mostly pro or con?

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:22 pm
by Tahoe27
I can't remember...I will watch again and advise. :)

Re: Items That Were Auctioned From Kaczynski Cabin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:31 pm
by AK Wilks
Ted comes up at 11:55. He is just mentioned very briefly. The Unabomber typed all his letters so when they first looked at Ted for Zodiac they had little of his handwriting. I don't know how much they had or who did the examining. Repetto says the FBI told him no match.

I've dealt with handwriting experts in court, and one with excellent training and credentials says one thing. And another one with equal training and credentials says the exact opposite.

But the info I have was that someone hired by SFPD did the comparison, when they did not have much of Ted's handwriting or any of his early handwriting. And the conclusion was while they could not make a "match" they did NOT rule out Ted on the basis of handwriting, as they did with Allen and every other suspect. Anyway you can see, based on the work of Marclean, the handwriting of Z and TK is virtually indistinguishable. Three stroke "k", five stroke "m", checkmark "r", spacing, etc.