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AK Wilks wrote:Good question I answered it in your gunsite thread. It is better here maybe you or a mod can transfer it.Or I will later. Also read entire cabin auction thread I will bump it.

Good somebody did. Thanks.

Hood's, complex codes etc, circumstantial evidence that shows a possible link (that's not to try and downplay the significance, circumstantial evidence is still evidence) but I think what the Detective was saying was that there was nothing definitive that you could say "Ahh-ha, a rough first draft of the 408 Cipher showing the method used in it's construction."

I read an article today that seems to suggest Ted had angered a number of people with a comment he made recently, saying with a smirk "The State have awarded me five life sentences." As you know I don't think Ted was Z but from a impartial POV, that does strike me as the type of sarcastic comment Z would likely make and do so while grinning.

Yes, Ted did was not just dry and academic, he did have a sarcastic and cutting sense of humor. Read these poems he wrote about a lady who turned him down.

Ellen poems and letter. Uses Zodiac terms "fat ass" and "nasty", similar Z like sarcastic insulting humor:




I would add that Unsolved Mysteries was done right after Ted was captured, so I don't know how much of his stuff had been inventoried at that point or what the detective was privy to seeing. Also, was anything discovered by friend, relatives, movers, etc., after the deaths of Kane, Gaikowski, Allen that made anyone go "Aha!". I presume for most suspects the most damning evidence would be disposed of in the garbage.

Ted had a whole system of "queer" ratings, of what he would destroy by burning or burial. In the journals found in the cabin he describes unabomber crimes like murder, but perhaps in light of the unabomber becoming an outlaw folk hero to some in the radical environmental and anarchist circles, he says accounts of unspecified "other" crimes will not be included as to do so could be "dangerous", "embarassing" or "just very bad public relations at this time". Certainly gunning down and stabbing teens in lover lanes would not be seen as acceptable political terrorism or social protest by most unabomber fans. It would be seen as the work of a sexually frustrated serial killer.

Anyway, there was a lot of stuff found in the cabin pointing to possible Zodiac involvement, including handmade hoods and clothing.

This shows that Ted was burying ammo as early as 1973. Which fits with his writings that he was expecting shootout with the police this early, which is odd, because the first unabomber crime was in 1978.

So in 1971 when Ted says he has "violently rebeled" against society, what is he talking about? Maybe being Zodiac?



This home made HOOD was found in Ted Kaczynski's cabin:



LINDA:

This does give you a few chills thinking how much this home-made hood reminds of you of another... Wonder what Ted used this for... It looks quite old to me. Stitching around the eyes is interesting. Hand stitches maybe? How about the lining...wonder what that's made of.

LUKE 68:

What the hell would a distance killer like the Unabomber, need a hood like that for? It's not like he would have used it to hunt his favourite snowshoe rabbits.

Linda and Luke, I agree! I can think of NO USE for this hood for Ted as the Unabomber or as a hunter. Makes no sense.

Azazel, it does look flat on top!

Ricardo, I saw this listed in the FBI inventory 2 years ago, but this is the first time the image has been released to the public. The inventory also lists a BLACK "face mask" but says it is similar to a "Ski Mask", thus it would be like a hood as in it covers the whole head. No image on that one yet, that I have seen.

And yes the iconic sketch image of Ted in glasses and sweatshirt hoodie conjures up images of the Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, with his dark glasses and hood, doesn't it?

The existence of the hood found in Kaczynski's cabin shows that Ted, like Zodiac, wanted and could make a decent hood.

There is also a BLACK HOOD reported as found in Ted's cabin, but as yet no image I have seen.

NOW...

I am going to engage in a little speculation here, just exploration and asking a question.

Looking at the pictures of Zodiac in costume, it appears the hood has a box shape, like there might be a welding mask type structure. It also appears the hood is connected to the dickey that comes over the chest. So that it is one unit. It also appears in the police drawing that the hood has RECTANGULAR EYE SLITS.

Is it POSSIBLE that he may have wanted to wear a partial face mask hood UNDERNEATH the bulky hood-dickey structure? Perhaps in case it got knocked off during a struggle, so his face would still be partially covered?

Because it does look like the rectangular eye slits on the Kaczynski hood line up quite well with the rectangular eye slits on the Zodiac hood.

And they are both flat on top.

This item is being sold to the public. If there is even a 1% chance this could be something Zodiac wore, I wish it could be tested for DNA. With the bloody scene at Lake Berryessa, when Zodiac removed his hood with his hands, tiny microscopic specks of blood from the victims could have got on the hood.







At the Stine murder scene, Zodiac was also described wearing a "dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (navy or royal blue)".



Ted did own a navy blue windbreaker and a dark blue waist length zipper jacket.

Welsh Chappie and Morf had this convo on another thread:

Welsh Chappie wrote:

And whoever he was, he seemed, according to Bryan Hartnell's testimony, to be skilled in needlework as quoting Bryan directly "And on the front was a...about a 4 inch crossed circle, with a cross-hairs and looked like it had been made with some kind of machine or with some degree of care....it wasn't just scrawled on with white paint, it was proportional"

So we're looking for a military man, who knows how to, & like's to sew. It's not logical that anyone other than him made the hood so, were any of the suspects known to be trained in needlework?

MORF: Certain career fields required men to know how to sew,such as military, people that worked with parachutes,etc


WC: Yes i know there would be certain employmet that requires these skills, i just wondered if it any of the suspect were known to possess the skills?"

AK: Ted sewed his own clothes, including HOODS.

The existence of the hood found in Kaczynski's cabin shows that Ted, like Zodiac, wanted and could make a decent hood.

There is also a BLACK HOOD reported as found in Ted's cabin, but as yet no image I have seen.

NOW...

I am going to engage in a little speculation here, just exploration and asking a question.

Looking at the pictures of Zodiac in costume, it appears the hood has a box shape, like there might be a welding mask type structure. It also appears the hood is connected to the dickey that comes over the chest. So that it is one unit. It also appears in the police drawing that the hood has RECTANGULAR EYE SLITS.

Is it POSSIBLE that he may have wanted to wear a partial face mask hood UNDERNEATH the bulky hood-dickey structure? Perhaps in case it got knocked off during a struggle, so his face would still be partially covered?

Because it does look like the rectangular eye slits on the Kaczynski hood line up quite well with the Zodiac hood.

And they are both flat on top.




As I mentioned, Ted could sew hoods, and given his design and craft ability to make this wood raven (present for his mom - and Poe influence?), I don't think he would have any problem designing and sewing a crosshair!



My main interest was in the pistol. I wondered if that tape could be placed there by the FBI, but there doesn't seem to be any tape or FBI markings on the bomb or manifesto. My thought was maybe Ted placed that tape or plastic there to help being able to grip and hold it.





I recall descriptions of the knife at LB having tape on the wood handle and a wood sheath, rare and probably home made. Here we have a home made wood pistol, with a wood handle maybe with tape on it.

This knife was found in Ted's cabin.



ZSEARCHER put together this list of descriptions.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport1.html

"Knife, thin blade, appeared home-made"

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport3.html

"long knife, "knife was in a sheath"

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport24.html

"was wearing a knife in a case (on belt), on his right side, near the front of his trousers", "Knife description: appeared to be a bread knife, 12' long blade, 3/4 inch wide, hardwood handle, 2 brass rivets holding handle in place, cotton surgical tape wrapped approximately 1' around handle of knife. Knife case probably made of wood."


http://www.zodiackiller.com/DOJ6.html

"knife was in a sheath", "described the knife as having a black handle and a homemade appearance"

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DOJ19.html

"the weapon used would be from nine to eleven inches in length, one inch in width and possibly sharpened at both sides at the top of the blade similar to a bayonet type weapon", "heavy or sturdy type blade"

The FBI thought the New York Mad Bomber (George Metesky) was an influence on the Unabomber. Both wrote letters explaining their actions to the world. Metesky called himself FP, Kaczynski FC.

I think Metesky influenced Zodiac - both sent letters making bomb threats and both used newspaper cut outs on cards.

I recently found out that Metesky later wrote letters to the Journal American and included a drawing of a snowman on them. Zodiac sent a card with a snowman on it.

I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this up, but don't you think that if ted K was Z, wouldn't one of the several witnesses have made the connection by now?

joedetective wrote:I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this up, but don't you think that if ted K was Z, wouldn't one of the several witnesses have made the connection by now?

Well who are you talking about? Hartnell only saw Z with a hood on. Mageau saw him briefly, then was shot, and has given conflicting statements over the years, though his initial description matches Ted quite well. Fouke saw Z. Johns probably saw Z.

The problem is, for 98% of the public, the only time they saw Ted Kaczynski was when he was first arrested, 30 years after the first Zodiac crimes, long crazy hair, long thick beard covering his face.

To my knowledge nobody has shown Fouke, Mageau or Johns a picture of Ted Kaczynski as he looked in 1968, which matches the sketch very well.

I agree that it's neither here nor there that no witness (and there aren't many many of them to begin with, of course) has come out and said anything subsequent to TK being caught - and I can even agree that TK does resemble the sketch, more or less (as does practically every other major suspect in the case!)

What I don't get it this: Here we have a man who kept a journal (or wrote some sort of partly autobiographical magnum opus, depends on how one looks at it) for years, thousands of pages, filled with details of all kinds, including highly personal stuff - but he never says a word about being Z. He freely talks about both this and that and the other thing - fantasy and reality - but nothing about his exploits as Z.

How can this be explained?

Norse wrote:I agree that it's neither here nor there that no witness (and there aren't many many of them to begin with, of course) has come out and said anything subsequent to TK being caught - and I can even agree that TK does resemble the sketch, more or less (as does practically every other major suspect in the case!)

What I don't get it this: Here we have a man who kept a journal (or wrote some sort of partly autobiographical magnum opus, depends on how one looks at it) for years, thousands of pages, filled with details of all kinds, including highly personal stuff - but he never says a word about being Z. He freely talks about both this and that and the other thing - fantasy and reality - but nothing about his exploits as Z.

How can this be explained?

First the FBI has not released most of the journals for the key Zodiac years.

Secondly in the journals that proudly recount the socially and politically motivated Unabomber crimes he notes that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been buried or burned because their revelation would be "dangerous, embarassing or just very bad public relations at this time."

AK Wilks wrote:
First the FBI has not released most of the journals for the key Zodiac years.

Secondly in the journals that proudly recount the socially and politically motivated Unabomber crimes he notes that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been buried or burned because their revelation would be "dangerous, embarassing or just very bad public relations at this time."

Well, I can't say I find that 100% convincing. But it's possible, I guess - if he regards his Unabomber "work" with pride, as being "justified" (a political statement and so on), he might consider the Z stuff as youthful shenanigans, as it were, which could - in the mind of an utter loon - be considered bad for his public image. Yes. I can see a "logic" of sorts there.

Let me get this straight, though - they have released the newer material (pertaining to the Unabomber crimes) but NOT the earlier stuff, which would pertain to the Z period? Isn't that odd in itself?

I've been thinking some more about this.

To sum it up: TK kills people as Z because he's sexually frustrated, targets victims who in one way or another "anger" him, it's a case of this frustration and this anger getting the better of him, one could perhaps say - right? And then he, well, comes to his senses - and flees the scene.

And he reemerges some years later as the Unabomber. this time with a proper agenda (as he sees it), a persona or alter ego there is no need to be embarrassed about - a political activist (in his own eyes - or at least this is the image he wants the world to see), rather than a sexually frustrated nutcase.

More or less right?

Well, I can buy this. Up to a point. What doesn't make sense to me is that he does the former as the Zodiac - as a particular persona, a character he invents, who doesn't simply provide him with an outlet for his sexual frustration (or whatever it is), but who makes it his main business to correspond with the media, write to the cops, brag and taunt and do everything he can to keep the buzz around this persona of his alive...and this part makes no sense to me, given what he does (or becomes) later on.

I'm no psychologist, though - maybe there is no discrepancy here. But to me, as a layman, it seems to be - it doesn't add up, simply put.