Possible Zodiac Link To Or Influence On EAR/ONS/GSK?
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:37 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVI3qo ... e=youtu.be
This is a voice comparison of a convicted murderer, who also did home invasions and cabin trashings, to the probable but unconfirmed voice of the EAR/ONS/GSK as heard on the "Is Ray There" and "Dumb F@#$%^&" calls. Thanks to AweShucks and another researcher who wishes to be anonymous for putting this together. Warning some language is obscene.
What do people think? Are there similarities between the voices?
Possible influences?
GSK: Call to police "You're never gonna catch me...dumb fuckers"
Zodiac Killer 11/9/69: "The police shall never catch me, because I have been too clever for them."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/BombLetter1.html
GSK: "you dumb fuckers..." affected voice, gravelly, trying to sound tough, reading from a script?
Taxi Driver: "Listen you fuckers..." affected voice, gravelly, trying to sound tough, reading from a script
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrLMEYOuLks
The VR (who probably went on to become the EAR/ONS as new evidence confirms) was decribed as running "knock-kneed" and "effeminate". Interesting in light of descriptions of Zodiac walking with a "shuffling lope" and "semi-limp", and Ted Kaczynski being pigeon toed so that it "affected the way he walked." A pigeon toed person might well be decribed as running "knock-kneed", as the VR/EAR/ONS was.
The Visalia Ransacker killed Professor Claude Snelling in the midst of a failed attempt to kidnap/murder his daughter Beth Snelling. A message found on a car window at Beth's high school said BETH I'LL GET THE REST. Similar to BATES HAD TO DIE THERE WILL BE MORE? Zodiac wrote a car door - the VR wrote on a car window.
NEW picture of Ted Kaczynski from his gun ID card, same mid 1970'S time frame, image of alternate sketch of VR/EAR/ONS, and enhanced sketch of Maggiore Killer probable EAR/ONS.
ZODIAC KILLER: In the first report of Officer Fouke, he wrote that the man he saw walking away from the Stine crime scene - who was probably the Zodiac - had a "shuffling lope". The report is attached, and the key line in full is:
"Subject at no time appeared to be in a hurry walked with a shuffling lope, slightly bent forward head down."
It is not quite clear exactly what Fouke means, but apparently the walk of Zodiac was distinctive enough that he remembered it and felt it worthy to note. Fouke later amplified on this somewhat ambiguous description in the documentary on the Zodiac 2 Disc DVD. From a transcript provided by Doug Oswell and on the Howard Davis site, Fouke states it was a:
"lumbering gait, sort of stumbling along, like a semi-limp."
On 9/27/69 three college girls at Lake Berryessa felt they were being watched by a man who behaved oddly, hiding in his car and then behind trees. Some think this man could be the Zodiac. One of the girls, called "Lorna" by Robert Graysmith in Zodiac Unmasked, gives an interesting description on pp. 395-396, parts of which I relate here, with the key part emphasized:
He was not distinctive, just an average, normal plain person, other than he gave us the creeps...I remember his face as square, all sides symmetrical. I don't remember him being pudgy, just compact...stocky, solid. The minute you mentioned the suspect was a swimmer, that felt so right about his body type. I wouldn't say he had a limp, but he favored one leg when he walked. He was clean-cut, nice-looking, and wearing dark blue pants, pleated like suit pants, and a black sweatshirt with short sleeves, knitted at the ends."
VR/EAR/ONS: Walked "knock kneed", "effeminate". "a funny gait, as if he were bowlegged."
TED KACZYNSKI: In terms of Ted Kaczynski, David Kaczynski told the FBI in his Declaration of February 18, 1997:
"The FBI asked me if there was anything unusual about my brother's gait. I replied that his left foot is noticeably pigeon-toed and affects the way he walks."
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Interesting observations from KITE, some edits and additions by me:
In reading about the EAR-ONS case, I tend to lean away from the possibility of Kaczynski being involved, but is it possible that Kaczynski was the one who sent in the Excitement's Crave poem? Obviously, I'm unable to provide any answers as to who EAR was and if it was he who sent in the poem or if it was someone else, but allow me to at least hypothetically compare the poem to Kaczynski and the Unabomber Manifesto for the sake of examination and analysis. Perhaps the EAR was of a similar mindset, in some ways, to Kaczynski? And, for all I know, Kaczynski may be shown to be elsewhere during the mailing of the poem, in the area of early to mid-December, 1977, was it?
The possible EAR poem is titled Excitements Crave, unless I'm mistaken, and mostly uses an EIGHT SYLLABLE count. The historical Grayson poem uses the words "excitement's crave" and seems to be mostly written in eight syllable count, at least what I have seen of the poem? In my opinion, that offers a decent likelihood that the possible EAR poem was possibly alluding to the historical poem. That historical poem, if I'm not mistaken, is about the historical Francis Marion. And wasn't he considered to be a person who set up camp in the WOODS from which he used guerilla fighting tactics during the American REVOLUTION? If that's correct, Kaczynski may have viewed himself as something similar, having a hideout in the Montana WOODS, a cabin hidden amongst the trees, from which he battled the industrial system, (as he may have seen it), trying to bring about REVOLUTION.
In the Unabomber Manifesto, Kaczynski lists many behavior-based things that he believes put pressure on the industrial system. Rape and terrorism are two of the listed. He sums this list up by saying how these things threaten the survival of the system.
So, when you consider that Kaczynski was publicity-orientated, made trips to California from Montana, and was watchful of things that he believed put pressure on the industrial system, the idea of Kaczynski injecting himself into the EAR case and framing the case to his liking by possibly sending in the poem, seems an interesting hypothetical consideration, in my opinion.
Here are some comparisons between the possible EAR (poem) and Kaczynski.
(poem) (All those mortal's surviving birth)
If I'm not mistaken, Kaczynski had a serious enough health problem to require a hospital stay at around the age of SIX MONTHS?
(poem)(Upon facing maturity)
(poem)(Take inventory of their worth)
(poem)(To prevailing society)
In my opinion, this is a contrast between the individual and society.
Kaczynski talks about how in modern society, the individual must first be loyal to the industrial system.
(poem)(Choosing values becomes a task)
(poem)(Oneself must seek satisfaction)
Kaczynski talks about how the system doesn't exist to SATISFY human needs. He uses..(people who are SEEKING to SATISFY their need for power)...in the Manifesto. Kacznyski talks of how the moral code of society is so demanding that no one can really think or behave in a completely moral way.
(poem)(Is a recognized social norm)
Kaczynski talks of how people are SOCIALIZED to conform to NORMS of behavior.
(poem)(Leisure tempts excitement seeking)
Kaczynski talks about how a LEISURED aristocrat becomes BORED and demoralized and seeks HEDONISM which is sexual and other EXCITEMENT.
(poem)(What's right and expected seems tame)
Kaczynski uses the words "society's EXPECTATIONS" and talks about how some smaller communities are TAMED and emasculated.
(poem)(Jessie James has been seen by all)
If I'm not mistaken, the historical Jesse James from the 1800's was involved in guerilla style fighting as a youth and his middle name was WOODSON, unless I'm mistaken. It is thought that Kaczynski, as the Unabomber, intentionally alluded to WOOD, and this included by using people's names?
Speaking of Zodiac. The possible Zodiac May 2, 1978 communication closes out with: SEE YOU IN THE NEWS, compared to the possible EAR poem closing with SEE YOU IN THE PRESS OR ON TV. Now, compare the possible Zodiac May 2, 1978 with the possible Zodiac 3/8/81 Atlanta communication. Both use YOU PEOPLE near the beginning of the communication:
5-2-78 (YOU PEOPLE in LA are in for a treat.)
3-8-81(Hello, it's me. Haven't YOU PEOPLE figured out...)
That opening is a bit strange. HELLO, IT'S ME. More like a phone call? Didn't who was possibly the East Area Rapist sometimes use IT'S ME at the beginning of a phone call? Didn't who was possibly EAR say... HI, IT'S ME AGAIN?
"The intruder [VR/EAR/ONS] didn’t reply. He raised a .38-caliber handgun and shot Snelling in the chest, mortally wounding him, and then kicked the daughter three times in the face before running away. He was a white male, about five feet ten, with “angry” eyes, the daughter reported to police."
Bates Confession: "kicked her head to shut her up".
TK: {journal} Wanted to "kick them in the face as they lay dyeing".
TV story based on the new LA Magazine article:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=9022659
FULL EAR/ONS POEM
Excitement's Crave
All those mortal's surviving birth
Upon facing maturity,
Take inventory of their worth
To prevailing society.
Choosing values becomes a task;
Oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask
Character when plans take action
Accepting some work to perform
At fixed pay, but promise for more,
Is a recognized social norm,
As is decorum, seeking lore.
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame.
Leisure tempts excitement seeking,
What's right and expected seems tame.
"Jessie James" has been seen by all,
And "Son of Sam" has an author.
Others now feel temptations call.
Sacramento should make an offer.
To make a movie of my life
That will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife
Of a Mafia lord to my file.
Your East Area Rapist
And deserving pest
See you in the press or on T.V.
Last line of May 1978 possible Zodiac letter:
See you in the News!
The "P", "L" and "S" seem identical on the Lumber Mill bomb sign (done by the Bari bomber - probably Ted Kaczynski) and the May 78 "Zodiac" letter.
The writer of the May 78 "Zodiac" letter used the exact same Norse - Germanic style as the writer of the Lumber Mill bomb.
Interesting observation from Kite. Interesting considering that I don't think the use of the words LEISURE and TAME are all that common - not rare words, but not commonly used in everday speech all the time.
KITE: Looking at a section of the poem from Page One here in this topic:
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame
LEISURE TEMPTS EXCITEMENT SEEKING
What's right and expected seems TAME
From the Unabomber Manifesto section 34:
(History shows that LEISURED aristocracies tend to become decadent.)....(But, LEISURED, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized even though they have power.) And TAMED is used not far from this at 52(...small-scale communities that are emasculated, TAMED, and made into tools of the system).
The new evidence proves that the EAR/ONS started as the Visalia Ransacker (VR) and Maggiore Killer, as I had said before, which means the VR sketches I posted were correct.
COMPARISON OF MAGGIORE KILLER SKETCH AND TED KACZYNSKI
Comparison of VR sketch and two pics of Ted Kaczynski 1970's.
Comparison of side view of VR sketch and side view of Ted Kaczynski
This is a voice comparison of a convicted murderer, who also did home invasions and cabin trashings, to the probable but unconfirmed voice of the EAR/ONS/GSK as heard on the "Is Ray There" and "Dumb F@#$%^&" calls. Thanks to AweShucks and another researcher who wishes to be anonymous for putting this together. Warning some language is obscene.
What do people think? Are there similarities between the voices?
Possible influences?
GSK: Call to police "You're never gonna catch me...dumb fuckers"
Zodiac Killer 11/9/69: "The police shall never catch me, because I have been too clever for them."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/BombLetter1.html
GSK: "you dumb fuckers..." affected voice, gravelly, trying to sound tough, reading from a script?
Taxi Driver: "Listen you fuckers..." affected voice, gravelly, trying to sound tough, reading from a script
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrLMEYOuLks
The VR (who probably went on to become the EAR/ONS as new evidence confirms) was decribed as running "knock-kneed" and "effeminate". Interesting in light of descriptions of Zodiac walking with a "shuffling lope" and "semi-limp", and Ted Kaczynski being pigeon toed so that it "affected the way he walked." A pigeon toed person might well be decribed as running "knock-kneed", as the VR/EAR/ONS was.
The Visalia Ransacker killed Professor Claude Snelling in the midst of a failed attempt to kidnap/murder his daughter Beth Snelling. A message found on a car window at Beth's high school said BETH I'LL GET THE REST. Similar to BATES HAD TO DIE THERE WILL BE MORE? Zodiac wrote a car door - the VR wrote on a car window.
NEW picture of Ted Kaczynski from his gun ID card, same mid 1970'S time frame, image of alternate sketch of VR/EAR/ONS, and enhanced sketch of Maggiore Killer probable EAR/ONS.
ZODIAC KILLER: In the first report of Officer Fouke, he wrote that the man he saw walking away from the Stine crime scene - who was probably the Zodiac - had a "shuffling lope". The report is attached, and the key line in full is:
"Subject at no time appeared to be in a hurry walked with a shuffling lope, slightly bent forward head down."
It is not quite clear exactly what Fouke means, but apparently the walk of Zodiac was distinctive enough that he remembered it and felt it worthy to note. Fouke later amplified on this somewhat ambiguous description in the documentary on the Zodiac 2 Disc DVD. From a transcript provided by Doug Oswell and on the Howard Davis site, Fouke states it was a:
"lumbering gait, sort of stumbling along, like a semi-limp."
On 9/27/69 three college girls at Lake Berryessa felt they were being watched by a man who behaved oddly, hiding in his car and then behind trees. Some think this man could be the Zodiac. One of the girls, called "Lorna" by Robert Graysmith in Zodiac Unmasked, gives an interesting description on pp. 395-396, parts of which I relate here, with the key part emphasized:
He was not distinctive, just an average, normal plain person, other than he gave us the creeps...I remember his face as square, all sides symmetrical. I don't remember him being pudgy, just compact...stocky, solid. The minute you mentioned the suspect was a swimmer, that felt so right about his body type. I wouldn't say he had a limp, but he favored one leg when he walked. He was clean-cut, nice-looking, and wearing dark blue pants, pleated like suit pants, and a black sweatshirt with short sleeves, knitted at the ends."
VR/EAR/ONS: Walked "knock kneed", "effeminate". "a funny gait, as if he were bowlegged."
TED KACZYNSKI: In terms of Ted Kaczynski, David Kaczynski told the FBI in his Declaration of February 18, 1997:
"The FBI asked me if there was anything unusual about my brother's gait. I replied that his left foot is noticeably pigeon-toed and affects the way he walks."
--------------
Interesting observations from KITE, some edits and additions by me:
In reading about the EAR-ONS case, I tend to lean away from the possibility of Kaczynski being involved, but is it possible that Kaczynski was the one who sent in the Excitement's Crave poem? Obviously, I'm unable to provide any answers as to who EAR was and if it was he who sent in the poem or if it was someone else, but allow me to at least hypothetically compare the poem to Kaczynski and the Unabomber Manifesto for the sake of examination and analysis. Perhaps the EAR was of a similar mindset, in some ways, to Kaczynski? And, for all I know, Kaczynski may be shown to be elsewhere during the mailing of the poem, in the area of early to mid-December, 1977, was it?
The possible EAR poem is titled Excitements Crave, unless I'm mistaken, and mostly uses an EIGHT SYLLABLE count. The historical Grayson poem uses the words "excitement's crave" and seems to be mostly written in eight syllable count, at least what I have seen of the poem? In my opinion, that offers a decent likelihood that the possible EAR poem was possibly alluding to the historical poem. That historical poem, if I'm not mistaken, is about the historical Francis Marion. And wasn't he considered to be a person who set up camp in the WOODS from which he used guerilla fighting tactics during the American REVOLUTION? If that's correct, Kaczynski may have viewed himself as something similar, having a hideout in the Montana WOODS, a cabin hidden amongst the trees, from which he battled the industrial system, (as he may have seen it), trying to bring about REVOLUTION.
In the Unabomber Manifesto, Kaczynski lists many behavior-based things that he believes put pressure on the industrial system. Rape and terrorism are two of the listed. He sums this list up by saying how these things threaten the survival of the system.
So, when you consider that Kaczynski was publicity-orientated, made trips to California from Montana, and was watchful of things that he believed put pressure on the industrial system, the idea of Kaczynski injecting himself into the EAR case and framing the case to his liking by possibly sending in the poem, seems an interesting hypothetical consideration, in my opinion.
Here are some comparisons between the possible EAR (poem) and Kaczynski.
(poem) (All those mortal's surviving birth)
If I'm not mistaken, Kaczynski had a serious enough health problem to require a hospital stay at around the age of SIX MONTHS?
(poem)(Upon facing maturity)
(poem)(Take inventory of their worth)
(poem)(To prevailing society)
In my opinion, this is a contrast between the individual and society.
Kaczynski talks about how in modern society, the individual must first be loyal to the industrial system.
(poem)(Choosing values becomes a task)
(poem)(Oneself must seek satisfaction)
Kaczynski talks about how the system doesn't exist to SATISFY human needs. He uses..(people who are SEEKING to SATISFY their need for power)...in the Manifesto. Kacznyski talks of how the moral code of society is so demanding that no one can really think or behave in a completely moral way.
(poem)(Is a recognized social norm)
Kaczynski talks of how people are SOCIALIZED to conform to NORMS of behavior.
(poem)(Leisure tempts excitement seeking)
Kaczynski talks about how a LEISURED aristocrat becomes BORED and demoralized and seeks HEDONISM which is sexual and other EXCITEMENT.
(poem)(What's right and expected seems tame)
Kaczynski uses the words "society's EXPECTATIONS" and talks about how some smaller communities are TAMED and emasculated.
(poem)(Jessie James has been seen by all)
If I'm not mistaken, the historical Jesse James from the 1800's was involved in guerilla style fighting as a youth and his middle name was WOODSON, unless I'm mistaken. It is thought that Kaczynski, as the Unabomber, intentionally alluded to WOOD, and this included by using people's names?
Speaking of Zodiac. The possible Zodiac May 2, 1978 communication closes out with: SEE YOU IN THE NEWS, compared to the possible EAR poem closing with SEE YOU IN THE PRESS OR ON TV. Now, compare the possible Zodiac May 2, 1978 with the possible Zodiac 3/8/81 Atlanta communication. Both use YOU PEOPLE near the beginning of the communication:
5-2-78 (YOU PEOPLE in LA are in for a treat.)
3-8-81(Hello, it's me. Haven't YOU PEOPLE figured out...)
That opening is a bit strange. HELLO, IT'S ME. More like a phone call? Didn't who was possibly the East Area Rapist sometimes use IT'S ME at the beginning of a phone call? Didn't who was possibly EAR say... HI, IT'S ME AGAIN?
"The intruder [VR/EAR/ONS] didn’t reply. He raised a .38-caliber handgun and shot Snelling in the chest, mortally wounding him, and then kicked the daughter three times in the face before running away. He was a white male, about five feet ten, with “angry” eyes, the daughter reported to police."
Bates Confession: "kicked her head to shut her up".
TK: {journal} Wanted to "kick them in the face as they lay dyeing".
TV story based on the new LA Magazine article:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=9022659
FULL EAR/ONS POEM
Excitement's Crave
All those mortal's surviving birth
Upon facing maturity,
Take inventory of their worth
To prevailing society.
Choosing values becomes a task;
Oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask
Character when plans take action
Accepting some work to perform
At fixed pay, but promise for more,
Is a recognized social norm,
As is decorum, seeking lore.
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame.
Leisure tempts excitement seeking,
What's right and expected seems tame.
"Jessie James" has been seen by all,
And "Son of Sam" has an author.
Others now feel temptations call.
Sacramento should make an offer.
To make a movie of my life
That will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife
Of a Mafia lord to my file.
Your East Area Rapist
And deserving pest
See you in the press or on T.V.
Last line of May 1978 possible Zodiac letter:
See you in the News!
The "P", "L" and "S" seem identical on the Lumber Mill bomb sign (done by the Bari bomber - probably Ted Kaczynski) and the May 78 "Zodiac" letter.
The writer of the May 78 "Zodiac" letter used the exact same Norse - Germanic style as the writer of the Lumber Mill bomb.
Interesting observation from Kite. Interesting considering that I don't think the use of the words LEISURE and TAME are all that common - not rare words, but not commonly used in everday speech all the time.
KITE: Looking at a section of the poem from Page One here in this topic:
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame
LEISURE TEMPTS EXCITEMENT SEEKING
What's right and expected seems TAME
From the Unabomber Manifesto section 34:
(History shows that LEISURED aristocracies tend to become decadent.)....(But, LEISURED, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized even though they have power.) And TAMED is used not far from this at 52(...small-scale communities that are emasculated, TAMED, and made into tools of the system).
The new evidence proves that the EAR/ONS started as the Visalia Ransacker (VR) and Maggiore Killer, as I had said before, which means the VR sketches I posted were correct.
COMPARISON OF MAGGIORE KILLER SKETCH AND TED KACZYNSKI
Comparison of VR sketch and two pics of Ted Kaczynski 1970's.
Comparison of side view of VR sketch and side view of Ted Kaczynski
