Possible Zodiac Link To Or Influence On EAR/ONS/GSK?

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:27 pm

AK Wilks wrote:That is a good book.

Yes Ted hated his parents. But they were not verbally abusive in any way. Ted was a withdrawn difficult child. They were wonderfully supportive and encouraging of him. This is clear from the recollections of David as well as other family, friends and neighbors.

The Murray ecperiments at Harvard, which Ted participated in, were probably part of the CIA MK-ULTRA project and damaged Ted's already damaged mind.


Actually, Ted writes that he was verbally abused by his parents. Here is the translation of this document.

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"July 5, 1991
Dear Ma,
Not long ago you invited me to write to you about my "abandonment pain" as you called it. I'm going to do so now, but I don't think you'll
enjoy hearing what I have to say.

On June 14 you wrote to me: "I feel bad that you are so intolerant of a bother whose feelings for you have always been so generous and loving.
Your rejection of him has hurt him deeply." This is typical of the way I've been treated in the family, ever since my teens. Whenever I hurt someone else's feelings I am a
automatically treated as the bad boy - the fault in all on my side, and someone else in the family tells me I should go to the offended party and apologize. When someone else says or does something that hurts my feelings, they are never
asked to apologize. (At any rate, I have almost never received an apology for anything from any member of the family.) On the contrary, I have sometimes been asked to be "understanding toward the person who has insulted me.
For instance, in one case (during a winter I spend with you around 1970) after you had heaped a lot of unprovoked verbal abuse on my head, Dad came to me and told me that I should be the .. of you because you were... Apparently.

Dear Ma:
I can't honestly say that I feel any sorrow over Dad's death. you know why. But I must say that I feel very sorry for you. These events must be extremely hard on you. I never resented you quite as much as I resented Dad. During my teens I had to take a lot of verbal abuse from both of you, but you at least made up for it with warmth and affection at other times, whereas Dad was generally rather cold toward me during that period. If you'd like to be reconciled an resume correspondence with me, I am willing.

But I must say that I am puzzled by a note I had from Dave inviting me to a memorial service for Dad. I have never heard the term memorial service used except in reference to a religious function. I would appreciate it if you would explain why a memorial service would be held by a family of atheists. I certainly hope you haven't been converted! And I am very surprised that Dave would think that I would want to attend a memorial service or any other religious function. Needless to say, I'm not going to do so. But, once again, you do have my sympathy for what you must be going through."

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Here is more translations. Very interesting stuff about Ellen and physical violence.

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"The thought of having intercourse with her was probably the most intense sexual feeling I have ever had.
Anyhow, Ellen provided me with something to hope for that I felt was really worthwhile, because in spite of all her faults, I felt (and still feel) that there is
something worthwhile in Ellen that most women don't have. Work in an effort to be objective I confess that my infatuation with that woman probably make me greatly exaggerate whatever it is [if anything] that she has).

So hope, which was nearly dead in me, was revived by Ellen. I didn't realize how much she meant to me until all my chances with her come to an end. I though that once I had no more hope of her my mind would quickly slip back into the state it was in before I met her. So far, that hasn't happened.

For one thing, after I get over my anger at Ellen, all anger and hatred seemed to fall away from me. I no longer hate anybody at all. I'd still kill a big shot if I had a convenient __ it would be as a matter ___ not a gratification of my __ hated. This, the one thing __ look forward to before I __ mandy, revenge, is ___ over, my dull ___
seems to have been ___ ardent feelings toward the __

Ever since the end of ___ business with Ellen, I have ___ filled with a terrible sense of desperation, NOT depression... about sense I have no___


Aug. 25, 1970 (?)
There is a certain young lady named Ellen
whose Fanny is very repelling.
For the over grown mass of fat on her ass
making a gross, disproportionate swelling
Her girdles' a tight one of course
Its nylon and steel reinforced
But no matter how hard
she squishes her lard
she still has an ass like a horse.

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I merely want to clear up some loose ends of this nasty affair, because I always hate having anything misunderstood.

When I talked to you in your car as you arrived at work Thursday morning (Aug 24), you said that you went out with me
the first two times, you really thought there might be something in it: friendship er..." I certainly doubt whether your statement is true, because your words
and attitude generally have been inconsistent. Nevertheless, this statement is probably the only thing that prevented me from attacking you
physically. When I got into your car, I intended physical violence of a serious nature -- until your statement cast doubt on the conclusion I had reached__"
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby AK Wilks » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:20 pm

Thanks for the translation and your other posts and evidence.

Yes Ted said he was verbally abused. But along with being a genius he was paranoid schizophrenic. He thought airplanes flew over his cabin on purpose to bother him. David and friends of the family deny Ted's account and I find them more believable then Ted.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby vasa croe » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:08 am

AK Wilks wrote:Thanks for the translation and your other posts and evidence.

Yes Ted said he was verbally abused. But along with being a genius he was paranoid schizophrenic. He thought airplanes flew over his cabin on purpose to bother him. David and friends of the family deny Ted's account and I find them more believable then Ted.


While it may not have happened the way Ted recalls it, it is likely part of his psyche that he believes it did. Telling himself for that long that something happened, he came to believe that is what happened. Speaks volumes to his perception of people and illness. My guess is that this is how he perceived everyone he attacked.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:23 am

If we are looking to compare EAR/ONS to TJK this auction item gives us a date of June 29, 1979

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“Tuesday June 26, 1979 Series II #6 (3)
I started out before dawn this morning and ___ at ___ campsite of mine overlooking McClellan Creek. It feels very good to be in the wild country again. I especially value the silence here (It is now so noisy around my cabin.) The only discernible sounds this morning have been caused by the 9 evil jet planes that have passed within any hearing.

WED June 27, I’ve now camped at another __ old campsite in the…”

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“31
…down the gulch my camp is in, experiencing ammunition very indiscriminately. I didn’t see him, but I could mark his progress by the” bang, bang, bang, bang.” Where the hell can one get privacy? Maybe in the wilderness across Route 200, but you can't hike there directly from…

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“28
Through all that brush and down timber. Was up at the crack of dawn and hiked the rest of the way to here—that campsite on Landers Forth that I picked out. The more I look this place over, the more I think it will be sufficiently secluded from hunters up on the ridge, if I ever camp here at that time of year. A wonder spot! High above the river, with a view of Red Mtn, Pyramid peak and Castle Rock; Nice grove of trees and a little nill of water. I felt very good.

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“56
…of their finding my camp other (wiser). Makes me about ready to join the ban hunting crowd, just to keep these disgusting twerps out of the woods. Of course, I’d hunt anyway. I suppose they are hunting grouse, since the legal season is probably on now. Quite possible they found my grouse and just shot chipmunks or something to vent their frustration. Hear their voices just now.
Sept 12: This morning I did some exploring on N. side of ridge. I had brought some lunch, and after I ate it I cant…”
__________________________



Interestingly enough the last two EAR attacks in Danville were before and after this entry. Here are the description from the ONS pro board"

"Attack #47 - Monday, June 25, 1979 in Walnut Creek (94598) at 4:15 am
Victim: "Ashley Watkins" -age 13
"Bess Watkins" -age16; and their father were all in the home. Only Ashley's room was entered.
Physical Description:
6'
"Not heavy"
Clothing and Implements Description:
White Twine
Knife
Cheese cloth type mask
Jogging Shorts
*He jumped on her back and placed a hand over her mouth while she was asleep.
LE Note: Victim #48 on the official list


Attack #48 -Thursday, July 5, 1979 in Danville (94526) at 3:45 am
Victims: "Silvia Garnett"
"Brandon Garnett"
Physical Description:
None given in ST

Clothing and Implements Description:
Dark Mask
Dark Vinyl Jacket with white lettering over the left breast area
Gloves
White shoelaces

*Aborted attack. Brandon woke up and saw the attacker pulling the mask over his head in a bedroom mirror. The attacker had set aside a pair of Brandon's shoes, but had not yet removed those laces. The husband and wife were able to get out of the house and to a neighbor's to call police. No one saw the attacker leave the residence.

LE Note: Victim #49 on the official list"

Note* This is the attack where the map and notebook papers were found. After this attack, ONS moved to Goleta and, had one more aborted attack, and then started killing people.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby AK Wilks » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:51 pm

That is interesting.

Earlier someone asked how Ted could provide proof of an alibi for Zodiac attacks and mailings as asked of him by Doug Oswell and another writer. I replied by saying he could provide class attendance sheets, paycheck stubs, witness statements or mailed letters. Now later on, post summer of 1969, when Ted quits being a professor and seldom worked any regular jobs, it would get harder. I don't consider his diary entries as proof as to where he was on any given date. For several reasons. When Ted would go into town, he would sometimes ask what the date was. Living in a cabin in the woods I think he did not usually keep track of dates very tightly. So I would question his diary journal entries as to how accurate any given date was. And more importantly he may have lied in the journal and in his letters. Once he recorded going out west to look for land when in fact he was sending a Unabomber bomb. So if he was the EAR/ONS, he may well have written other fake entries showing him in Montana on or near EAR/ONS attack dates when in fact he was in California.

In the coded part of his journal that records all Unabomber crimes, Ted mentions other unspecified crimes and he says he notes and evidence regarding them have been buried or burned as revelation could be "dangerous, embarrassing, or just very pad PR at this time."

Based on definitive evidence, such as confirmed sightings or conversations with neighbors or store clerks, family visits or mailings, etc., I could find nothing to rule him out. When I gave info to the police, I can assume they also found nothing to definitively give him an alibi for any key DNA linked EAR/ONS attacks, as they eventually asked the FBI and the Supermax prison for Ted's DNA.

Now there was one moment when I almost dropped all consideration of Ted for EAR/ONS. There was an apparent employment record for Ted being in Illinois at a job site within 24 hours of an EAR attack in California. While it would be technically possible for Ted to make it to CA within 24 hours from Illinois, by plane or even train, I considered it very impractical. I was prepared to back burner and all but drop any serious consideration of Ted for these crimes and return to what was always my main focus, the Zodiac case and to some extent Tylenol. But ultimately I did not.

First the EAR attack in question was not a DNA linked attack. meaning we do not know for sure that it was EAR/ONS who did it. Aside from theories about an EAR A and an EAR B, there were some definite copycat attacks, and there were other ski masked and home invasion rapists in North Cal at the time. But more importantly, the company in question was run by Ted's brother David. So Ted had access to the office and could have faked the record. I provided this info to the police, and as I said, they still sought to get Ted's DNA for comparison to the EAR/ONS DNA.

The FBI established that for almost every single Unabomber crime or mailing, the majority of which were in North Cal, SF or Sacramento , they had hotel records for a hotel in Helena that Ted would stay at within 30 days of going out of state to do these CA crimes and mailings, or he would stay there with 30 days of returning from being out of state.

There are also hotel stays, indicative of out of state trips to CA, with no matching Unabomber crimes, BUT EACH IS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A ONS CRIME, INCLUDING CRUZ IN 1986.

I have read the statements of Sacramento hotel clerks who say Ted stayed there but the FBI doesn't reveal the dates.

The FBI states that he would usually stay at this hotel in Helena, MT within a week to 30 days either before or after a crime. In other words, on his way out of state (most often to California) he would stay here, or on his way back. He sometimes left one day before paid checkout time. In regards to the four dates I can find in the relevant time period, EACH ONE COINCIDES WITH AN ORANGE COUNTY MURDER TAKING PLACE WITHIN ONE WEEK TO THIRTY DAYS OF HIS STAY. Scott is NOT a DNA linked confirmed ONS murder but is a possible ONS murder.

Paid Hotel Stay ----------Orange County Murder

April 14 - 18, 1980 ---------- Lyman and Charlene Smith, March 13, 1980

May 12 - 14, 1980 ----------Dorothy Jane Scott, May 27, 1980

August 13 - 15, 1980 ---------- Keith and Patrice Harrington, August 19, 1980

April 7 - 9, 1986 ------------------------------Janelle Lisa Cruz, May 4, 1986

May 28-30, 1986

Other than a June 10, 1980 mail bombing in Chicago, there were no other bombings or mailings in 1980 or 1986.

Thus, it is unknown why Kaczynski stayed in the hotel for these times above, something he generally only did when going to or coming back from an out of state crime. Therefor it is very interesting indeed that these hotel stays, indicitive of out of state trips to CA, match ONS murders.

There was also a pipe bomb placed behind a computer store in Orange County CA - the EXACT MO OF KACZYNSKI - the summer of the Cruz murder and a few miles away from where she was killed in Orange County.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:25 pm

To be clear, Dorothy Jane Scott is not a DNA link ONS murder.

However, this information about the hotel is very important. I wouldn't count him out based on this entry either. I personally think that EARA and EARB is a correct theory. There are numerous reasons to believe that EAR had and accomplice. Also, only three rapes have been DNA linked and they were are all in Contra Costa county. Almost all of the ONS crimes have been linked through DNA.

I know (and I shouldn't) that ONS was probably damaged in a permanent way after his attack on Janelle. There is some physical evidence that shows this. IF TJK is ONS, this could explain why 1986 was the last ONS style attack (no way to rape anymore... if you get my meaning), even though he is still alive. It could also explain the sudden turn to bombing as his main MO for attack.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:31 pm

Here is a look at the zodiac bomb letter and the EAR map side by side. There are some similarities, especially the squiggly lines.

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:16 pm

Here is a timeline of the EAR/ONS/GSK crimes

East Area Rapist Crimes 6/18/76 to 10/1/79
DATE
LOCATION
DESCRIPTION
#1
6/18/76 Fri
4:00am Rancho Cordova, CA
Woman alone

#2
7/17/76 Sat
2:00am Del Dayo. Carmichael, CA
Teenage girl

#3
8/29/76 Sun
3:20am Rancho Cordova, CA
Teenage girl (escaped)

#4
9/04/76 Sat
11:30pm Citrus Heights, CA
Woman alone

#5
10/5/76 Tue
6:45am Citrus Heights, CA
Woman

#6
10/9/76 Sat
4:30am Rancho Cordova, CA
Woman alone

#7
10/18/76 Mon
2:30am Del Dayo, Carmichael, CA
Woman

#8
10/18/76 Mon
11:00pm Rancho Cordova, CA
Woman alone

News Blackout lifted. 1st News article on rapist appears in 11/4/76 Sacto Bee.
#9
11/10/76 Wed
7:30pm near Greenback Ln, Citrus Heights, CA
Woman alone

#10
12/18/76 Sat
11:30pm Carmichael, CA
Woman alone

#11
1/19/77 Wed
1:00am Glenbrook/College Greens
Woman alone

#12
1/24/77 Mon
3:00am Primrose Dr., Citrus Heights, CA
Woman alone

#13
2/7/77 Mon
6:45am Crestview Drive & Madison Ave., Citrus Heights, CA
Woman

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2/16/77 Wed
10:30pm Ripon Court , Glenbrook/College Greens, East Sacramento, CA 18 yr old Youth shot in stomach after confronting and chasing prowler.
#14
3/8/77 Tue
Approx. 4:00am Robertson & Whitney Aves., Sacto, CA
Woman alone

#15
3/18/77 Fri
10:45pm Rancho Cordova
Teenage girl

#16
4/2/77 Sat
Madison & Main Ave.
Couple (added on 5/15/77)

#17
4/15/77 Fri
2:30am Madison & Manzanita Aves. , Crestview Area, Sacto, CA
Couple

#18
5/3/77 Tue
3:00am Glenbrook/College Greens
Couple

#19
5/5/77 Thu
12:15am Orangevale, CA
Couple accosted outside home

#20
5/14/77 Sun
3:45am Greenback Ln & Birdcage St., Citrus Heights, CA
Couple

#21
5/17/77 Tue
1:30am Sand Bar Circle,
Del Dayo, Carmichael, CA
Couple

5/17/77 EAR threatens to kill next two victims. Composite Sketch & Profile released.
Intense police & CBer's patrol apparently force EAR out of the East Area.

#22
5/28/77 Sat
Approx. 1:00am Fourth Parkway, South Area, Sacto, CA
Couple

#22 Attack was blocks away from local dentist who organized CBer Patrols
& posted additional $10,000 reward.

#23
9/6/77 Tue
Lincoln Village West, North Stockton, CA
Couple

First Stockton, CA attack after apparently being dormant all summer.
#24
10/1/77 Sat
1:30am La Riveria & Toulomne Dr, RC, CA
Couple

#25
10/21/77 Fri
3:00am Gold Run Ave., Elkhorn Blvd., Diablo Drive, Foothill Farms, Antelope, CA
Couple (forced entry) mentioned in 3/25/93 Bee article

#26
10/29/77 Sat
1:45am Mission & Eastern Ave., Sacto, CA
Couple

#27
11/10/77 Thu
3:00am La Riviera Dr. near Watt Ave.
Teenage girl molested

#28
12/2/77 Fri
11:30pm Lobrett & Revelstok Dr. Foothill Farms, CA Aborted EAR attack. Woman alone with child. Husband not home.
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12/12/77
La Riviera Dr. & Watt Ave. EAR suspect wearing ski mask spotted riding bicycle on Watt Ave. Bridge by Sheriff Deputies. Suspect eludes capture. Bicycle reported stolen from Redding, CA left behind.

#29
1/28/78 Sat
10:15pm Winding Way, E. of Walnut Ave.(near American River College.)
Teenage girl #1

#30
1/28/78 Sat
Same as above
Teenage girl #2 (sister to above)

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2/2/78 Thu
9:00PM 10165 La Alegria and La Gloria Dr., Rancho Cordova, CA Maggiores murdered.
***
2/16/78 Thu

Composite Sketches released
re: Maggiore murder suspects

#31

3/18/78 Fri
1:05am Parkwoods, Stockton
Couple

(48)
4/6/78
Rancho Cordova
Woman

2nd Attack in Stockton.
#3#322
4/14/78 Fri
10:00pm Piedmont Drive, Seamas & Riverside Aves. South Sacramento, CAounted CouTeenage Girle?
Last known EAR attack in the Sacramento Area
***
4/16/78 Sun
Enhanced Composite Sketch Released
re: Maggiore Murder Suspects

#33
6/5/78 Mon
3:50am N.E. Modesto, CA A mile from other Modesto Location
Couple

#34
6/7/78 Wed
4:00am Davis, CA Apartment, N. side UCD
Woman alone

#35
6/23/78 Fri
1:30am North East Modesto
Couple

#36
6/24/78 Sat
3:00am Davis
Couple

6/28/78 Wed
EAR Copycat Attack

#37
7/6/78 Thur
3:00am Westwood Div., Davis, CA
Woman alone (two sons present)

#38
10/7/78 Sat
2:30am Concord, CA
Couple

#39
10/13/78 Fri
4:30am Ygnacio Valley, Concord, CA
Couple

#40
10/28/78 Sat
4:30am San Ramon, CA
Couple

#41
11/4/78
3:30am San Jose, CA
Woman

#42
12/2/78
4:30am San Jose, CA
Couple

#43
12/9/78 Sat
2:00am Danville, CA
Woman

#44
4/5/79 Thur
1:00am Fremont, CA
Couple

#45
6/2/79
Walnut Creek
Teenage girl

#46
6/11/79 Mon
4:00am Danville, CA (two blocks from #43)
Couple

#47
6/25/79 Mon
Walnut Creek
Teenage girl

#48
(Occured 4/6/78)
Rancho Cordova
Woman

#49
7/5/79
3:45am Danville, CA
Couple (Aborted attack)

#50
10/1/79 Mon
Queen Ann Lane, Goleta, Santa Barbara County, CA
Couple (escaped)

Original Night Stalker Crimes 1979 to 1986
DATE
LOCATION DESCRIPTION

#1
12/30/79 Sun
Avenida Pequena Ave., Goleta, Santa Barbara County, CA
Alexandria Manning (murdered)

#2
12/30/79 Sun
(Same Location as above)
Dr. Robert Offerman (murdered)

#3
3/13/80 Thu
High Point Drive, Ventura County, CA
Charlene Smith (raped, murdered)

#4
3/13/80 Thu
(Same Location as above)
Lyman Smith (murdered)

#5
8/19/80 Tue
Cockleshell Dr., Dana Point, CA
Patrice Harrington (raped, murdered)

#6
8/19/80 Tue
(Same Location as above)
Keith Harrington (murdered)

#7
2/5/81 Thu
35 Columbus, Irvine, Orange County CA
Manuela Witthuhn (raped, murdered)

#8
7/27/81 Sun
Toltec Way, Goleta, Santa Barbara County, CA (half-mile from prev. Goleta site.)
Cheri Domingo (murdered)

#9
7/27/81 Sun
(Same Location as above)
Gregory Sanchez (murdered)

#10
5/4/86 Sun
13 Encina, Northwood Area, Irvine, Orange County, CA (mile from Witthun)
Janelle Lisa Cruz (raped, murdered)
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:36 am

From the Alston Chase
"Apparently caught between acrimony at home and rejection at school, Kaczynski countered with activity. He joined the chess, biology, German, and mathematics clubs. He collected coins. He read ravenously and widely, excelling in every field from drama and history to biology and mathematics. According to an account in The Washington Post, he explored the music of Bach, Vivaldi, and Gabrieli, studied music theory, and wrote musical compositions for a family trio -- David on the trumpet, Turk at the piano, and himself on the trombone. He played duets with Oberto."

Many people on the ONS discussion board believe that he was a coin collector. He took, on several occasions silver dollars, unique coins. and pennies.
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