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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:30 pm
by Darla Jones
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:17 pm
by Darla Jones
I have found a connection with GSK and the Unabomber regarding Dungeons and Dragons. Both incidents happened in 1979.

Murdered on December 30, 1979
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:32 pm
by AK Wilks
Thanks for posting the psych report and the other information. As Mr. Spock would say, "fascinating".

This is some rare cursive writing from Ted.

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:37 pm
by Darla Jones
AK Wilks wrote:Thanks for posting the psych report and the other information. As Mr. Spock would say, "fascinating".

This is some rare cursive writing from Ted.

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I thought it was interesting that his mother turned to Dr. Spock for child rearing advice. He has some deep seated issues that stem from seemingly abusive parents. I don't see a lot of love for his mother or father. I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that Ted is trying to kill his father over and over again with the bombs. I think the whole "eco terrorist" thing is a cover for his real motivations, which are fuel by hatred of his parents and his sexual deviance and paraphilia.

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:05 pm
by Darla Jones
More information about his parents.
11/13/96 - 04:00 PM ET - Click reload often for latest version
Friends say Kaczynskis were social, well-liked family

Theodore Kaczynski Sr., the father of the Unabomber suspect, was a friendly man, a Mr. Fix-It type who became skeptical of technology after he saw what it did in the Vietnam War.

Wanda Kaczynski, the suspect's mother, was friendly too, a kind person who would take cookies or dinner to cheer up neighbors.

If Theodore Kaczynski is the Unabomber, what seems most odd about his parents is how normal they were, according to family and friends.

Those who know the family tell of parents who were social, active in the community and involved in - but not controlling of - their children's lives.

"They were perfectly normal," says veterinarian LeRoy Weinberg, whose house in Evergreen Park, Ill., is in back of the Kaczynskis' old home.

When former neighbor Evelyn Vanderlaan, 78, heard that the Kaczynskis' whiz-kid son, Teddy, was in the news, "I figured he had won the Nobel Prize or something."

Ted Kaczynski Jr., 53, of Lincoln, Mont., is charged with possessing bomb-making material and is suspected of being the Unabomber, who conducted an 18-year bombing campaign to protest technology.

Little has been written about his parents, but Kaczynski's not-so-extraordinary childhood has surprised experts.

In most serial killer suspects, "you can point to distinctive warning signs - sadism in childhood, animal mutilations, abandonment," says Michael Rustigan, criminologist at San Francisco State University.

The Kaczynskis lived on Chicago's South Side in the 1940s and early '50s. The father worked at a cousin's sausage factory. The family moved to Evergreen Park, a blue-collar suburb southwest of Chicago, in the mid-'50s and made a vivid and positive impression.

Philip Pemberton, 74, taught American Government to high-schooler Ted and lived a block from the family. He remembers a mother who read Scientific American to her sons and a father who believed in the value of education.

The father "kept pushing the school board to build a new school. Both parents were like that. They were really contributing members of society," Pemberton says.

The Kaczynskis invited Vanderlaan's family over for Thanksgiving on the day she gave birth to a girl who suffered from Down syndrome. A few years later, when the child got sick, "Wanda sent over food," Vanderlaan says. A spaghetti dish was so tasty that Vanderlaan still has the recipe.

Joyce Collis, 54, lived next door to the Kaczynskis for a dozen years while growing up. She recalls the elder Kaczynski teaching his two sons to survive alone in the wilderness. "They were hikers, people that would collect rocks, take nature walks," she says.

At home, family life seemed normal, if a bit intellectual. The Kaczynskis kept philosophy books on the coffee table.

The back doors of the Collis and Kaczynski homes were just a few steps apart.

Wanda "would holler and knock on the door and say, 'Come on over for cookies and tea. I just made some fresh,' " Collis says. "While we were there, Teddy would come home. She'd say, 'Hi, Ted. Did you have a nice day at school?' He would grunt and walk away. They were both proud of him. They were supportive."

In 1979, Wanda wrote to Collis' mother: "Young Ted has visited us for a couple of weeks in November. The reunions are so wonderful."

In 1966, the Kaczynskis moved to Lisbon, Iowa, where the elder Kaczynski managed a foam rubber plant called Iowa Cushion Pak.

When Earl Ratzer, president of Cushion Pak in Chicago, visited the plant in 1967, his employee gave him a tour of the town. "Everybody waved to Ted and said hello," says Ratzer, 76.

The Kaczynskis were liberal. They liked Eugene McCarthy, hated Richard Nixon and admired the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

In Iowa, the elder Kaczynski developed an admiration for the Amish. "The Amish knew technology was a subversive thing that can threaten your spiritual life. Ted saw this as a very important issue," says former college professor Paul Carlsten, 66, a friend in Iowa.

The use of technology in the Vietnam War upset his friend, Carlsten says. "Technology was being turned more and more to the uses of violence. The idea of violence as solving anything was unthinkable to the father," Carlsten says.

The younger Kaczynski was a graduate student when the family moved to Iowa, so it's unclear whether his father's views on technology affected him.

The elder Kaczynski also developed a reputation as a fix-it man, says Ratzer's wife, Helen, 74. "He could repair anything with a hunk of chewing gum and some baling wire."

In 1968, Ratzer wanted Kaczynski back at the Chicago plant. The family moved to Lombard and bought a house.

Jim Tarmichael, now 43, was starting out in the foam-rubber business and says the elder Kaczynski "took time to show me an awful lot of stuff. He was a guy who took time to listen to a kid. He had, always, a friendly, gentle manner."

The father, ill with cancer, committed suicide in 1990. Wanda, a retired teacher, moved to upstate New York in March to be near her other son, David, who turned in his brother to the FBI.

By Kevin V. Johnson, USA TODAY
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/index/una65.htm

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/cornell-r ... mber.shtml

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:26 pm
by ace ventura
GSK = ? I googled it

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:28 pm
by AK Wilks
Darla Jones wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:Thanks for posting the psych report and the other information. As Mr. Spock would say, "fascinating".

This is some rare cursive writing from Ted.

kaczynski Cursive Writing.jpg


I thought it was interesting that his mother turned to Dr. Spock for child rearing advice. He has some deep seated issues that stem from seemingly abusive parents. I don't see a lot of love for his mother or father. I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that Ted is trying to kill his father over and over again with the bombs. I think the whole "eco terrorist" thing is a cover for his real motivations, which are fuel by hatred of his parents and his sexual deviance and paraphilia.


Everything you say is correct except Ted's parents were not in any way abusive. But your larger point is correct. Ted did not kill because he loved nature. His diary records his desire to kill came from frustration over a failed sex change wish and overall alienation from the world.

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:06 pm
by Darla Jones
This looks like an interesting read.

http://books.google.com/books?id=19n139 ... CCsQ6AEwAg

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:13 pm
by Darla Jones
AK Wilks wrote:
Darla Jones wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:Thanks for posting the psych report and the other information. As Mr. Spock would say, "fascinating".

This is some rare cursive writing from Ted.

kaczynski Cursive Writing.jpg


I thought it was interesting that his mother turned to Dr. Spock for child rearing advice. He has some deep seated issues that stem from seemingly abusive parents. I don't see a lot of love for his mother or father. I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that Ted is trying to kill his father over and over again with the bombs. I think the whole "eco terrorist" thing is a cover for his real motivations, which are fuel by hatred of his parents and his sexual deviance and paraphilia.


Everything you say is correct except Ted's parents were not in any way abusive. But your larger point is correct. Ted did not kill because he loved nature. His diary records his desire to kill came from frustration over a failed sex change wish and overall alienation from the world.



Maybe they were not physically abusive but the psychologist who examined him seem to think that he hated his parents and that they were verbally abusive.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=av5iRX ... ki&f=false

Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:38 pm
by AK Wilks
That is a good book.

Yes Ted hated his parents. But they were not verbally abusive in any way. Ted was a withdrawn difficult child. They were wonderfully supportive and encouraging of him. This is clear from the recollections of David as well as other family, friends and neighbors.

The Murray ecperiments at Harvard, which Ted participated in, were probably part of the CIA MK-ULTRA project and damaged Ted's already damaged mind.