Possible Zodiac Link To Or Influence On EAR/ONS/GSK?

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:19 pm

The EAR map was drawn in several states, according to LE in California, maybe Larry Pool suggested it. They released this sequence to show how the map was drawn. The scaling is different at first.

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby AK Wilks » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:22 pm

Really interesting similarity! I only looked at areas in California for comps to the map, I never thought to look anywhere outside CA. If the EAR map was drawn mostly from memory that might explain some of the differences. The police never could find a match to any area in California and I bet that like me they never thought to look in Illinois.

The one area is right near the Kaczynski family home on North Ridge Ave in Lombard, and the other area is in Woodridge, just 15 minutes from Lombard. Why would Ted have drawn a map of this area? Aside from being a deliberate clue/diversion for California law enforcement, it is known that Ted did some Unabomber activities in the Chicago area. Also, Woodridge and Lombard are in the areas where tainted Tylenol was placed on store shelves.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Dick Castle » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:09 pm

I don't see the similarity in the voices, sorry.

The vulgar one seems REAL young, like a teenager.

I also thought they had the EARs DNA and it matches no one in the system.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby pittsburgh_phil » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:03 am

Not every killer in California is Ted K... The MO's don't match in any of these cases.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby AK Wilks » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:26 pm

pittsburgh_phil wrote:Not every killer in California is Ted K... The MO's don't match in any of these cases.


I appreciate questions and criticism, but can you be more specific? Once I felt there was good reason to think TK was Z, I looked at major unsolved crimes from the time period when Ted was active, and was able to effectively rule Ted out for two dozen major crimes, at least to my reasonable satisfaction. The EAR/ONS was one I could not totally rule him out for, but it is frustrating, because the suspect sketches and some MO stuff is damning, yet other psych evidence does not seem to fit. I turned it over to LE and they felt there was enough there to seek DNA. Ted never had his DNA put into the system, as evidence by the fact that the FBI had to recently ask him for a DNA sample in the Tylenol case. He refused. The FBI said they would seek a court order. I do not know what has been done since. If his DNA was obtained and put into the CODIS system, the we can assume Ted was not the EAR?ONS as there has been no match announced and no indictment presented. But I don't know if his DNA has been obtained.

Did you read this entire thread? If not please do or at least read what follows here.

NOTE: It is very likely that the EAR/ONS started off as the Visalia Ransacker (VR) and the Maggiore Killer, though it is not absolutely certain, and there are differences of opinion among law enforcement and researchers on these issues, though the majority of those associated with these caes think they are one and the same. The law enforcement I communicated with thought it was very likely that the EAR/ONS was the VR and Maggiore Killer. I think the evidence is convincing. I also think there are major MO links, but also differences, between SB 63 and Zodiac and EAR/ONS.

COMPARISON OF MAGGIORE KILLER SKETCH AND TED KACZYNSKI

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Comparison of VR sketch and two pics of Ted Kaczynski 1970's.
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Comparison of side view of VR sketch and side view of Ted Kaczynski

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OVERVIEW OF BASIC FACTS SUGGESTING CONNECTION BETWEEN KACZYNSKI AND THE ZODIAC KILLER


* Kacsynski lived in the SF Bay area during the time of most of the confirmed Zodiac murders.

* Kaczynski's attorney said he could not provide any alibi dates for Zodiac murder and mailing dates, starting with Bates in 1966 and going to the 1974 letters, and also including the Santa Barbara murders in 1963 and the Swindle murders in 1964.

* Both Zodiac and Kaczynski were ruthless killers, highly intelligent and interested in and expert at bombs and codes.

* Both made references to opera, literature and Norse myths.

* Both demanded their words be published on the front pages of newspapers on penalty of death for innocents if not done.

* Both threatened to bomb mass transit.

* Both left drawings of crossed lines inside circles at crime scenes.

* Both used crossed lines inside circles as signatures.

* Both sent taunting messages to police and victims.

* Both usually used excessive postage, often double postage.

* Both wrote checkmark "r" 's, three stroke "k" 's, five stroke "m" 's and had many other handwriting matches.

* Both commented on the bounty put on their head.

* Both were filled with hatred and a desire for revenge against society.

* Both owned and used Winchester Western .22 Super X ammo.

* Both had guns with flashlights attached to the barrel.

* Kaczynski shot a miner with a rifle - Zodiac threatened to shoot school kids on a bus with a rifle

* Both had an unusual walk - Officer Fouke said the man he saw at the Stine crime scene walked with a "lumbering gait...a semi-limp", a girl at Lake Berryessa observed that a man watching them who may have been the Zodiac "favored one leg over the other", and David Kaczynski said his brother Ted was "noticably pigeon-toed" and that it "affected the way he walked".

* Both had knowledge of Deer Lodge, Montana.

* Zodiac taunted police, hinted he shot SFPD Officer Radetich and most importantly attacked and killed couples in known love making spots; Kaczynski recorded a desire in his journal to kill "police", "rowdy college students", "promiscuous" women and men and "noisy" love making "couples" in September of 1966.


A detective on the EAR/ONS case has determined that Ted Kaczynski has never had his DNA entered into CODIS, and indeed has never even had DNA drawn from his body, despite two seperate federal laws mandating it.

THE POSSIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN ZODIAC AND EAR/ONS

The Zodiac has long been mentioned by writers and investigators of the Original Night Stalker (ONS) as a possible suspect.

* Both sometimes attacked lone females, but both usually killed male/female couples.

* Both used a flashlight to blind their victims, had gun/knife/pre-cut lengths of rope, ordered the female to tie the male, sometimes wore a hood, targeted mostly middle class suburban areas

* In many of the probable Zodiac crimes in Sonoma County and Northern California, complex nautical knots were used to bind victims, similar to those used by the EAR/ONS.

* Both wore military clothes/boots/shoes, were never caught, exhibited high intelligence and planning, played games with the police and media, wrote letters to the media and wrote cryptic poems.

THE POSSIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 1963 SANTA BARBARA BEACH MURDERS OF DOMINGOS AND EDWARDS AND THE ZODIAC KILLER

There are many similarities between the Santa Barbara beach murders of Domingos and Edwards in June 1963 and the Zodiac Killer attack at Lake Berryessa in September 1969.

* In both murders we have as victims a male - female couple on a blanket by the water

* In both the attacker has a gun, knife and pre-cut rope.

* In both the attacker orders female to tie male, then binds them both.

* And like the Zodiac Killer attack on 12/20/68 at Lake Herman Road, a victim is shot in the back while running away.

* Also the exact same type of ammo was used at Santa Barbara 1963 and Zodiac attack on Lake Herman Road on 12/20/68 - .22 Winchester Western Super X, six right hand twists and grooves, indicating the same model of gun was used, and perhaps even the exact same weapon.

* There was an attempt to start an arson fire at Santa Barbara - in probable Zodiac victim Kathleen Johns her car was burned, and there are several other arsons close in time and space to suspected Zodiac crimes.

THE POSSIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 1963 SANTA BARBARA BEACH MURDERS OF DOMINGOS AND EDWARDS AND THE ORIGINAL NIGHT STALKER

Similarities between the Santa Barbara beach attack in 1963 and many of the crimes of the Original Night Stalker include:

* Attacker ordering the female to tie the male

* The killer used complex nautical knots

* The killer put blanket over the bodies or faces of the victims

* The killer leaves burnt wood matches at the scene.


Below are sketches of the 1963 Santa Barbara beach murders suspect "Sandy" and pictures of the young Ted Kaczynski, followed by pictures of Ted Kaczynski and suspect sketches in the Zodiac and EAR/ONS cases.
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:43 pm

I'm pretty sure that A&E broadcast a portion of the EAR/ONS DNA profile. Here's what I picked up from the shows posted on the internet.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ih-GKZAnuc

6:15 of 7:40
4:11 of 7:40
6:15 of 7:40 6:44 of 7:40

Robert Stack says at 6:44 "....making the man who owns THIS genetic profile one of the biggest serial offenders..."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TfaY6FwXx8

There is more at .26 of 9.57 which gives us the position of the X and the Y. The X are the numbers on top, the Y the numbers on bottom.

IMO this is a partial DNA Fingerprint for ONS.
X Y
13 14
28
34.2

17
16 18
22 23

At 5.53 of 9.57 they give us some of the Code
Locus 1 =D3S1358
TI T2
15 16

Locus 2=vWA
14 15

Locus3=FGA
21
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby vasa croe » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:06 pm

I am no major serial killer researcher, but isn't the progression of most serial killers, or criminals in general geared toward being more up close and personal over time? Why would TK get more remote and impersonal if he was Z or any other killer? That is, if what I am saying is correct about most criminals in general...
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Darla Jones » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:49 am

Here is the back of the EAR map page. Its blurry because it was screen captured from a news show. The cropped version that was released to the public by LE through LA Magazine is also attached.

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Here is Ted K.'s cursive handwriting. It looks similar to the word Milling. I'm sure someone else could do a better job of comparing the two samples. Notice in the top right hand corner of the LA Magazine image there is a reverse "Z " symbol under the name Melanie (which has been crossed out.). AK just pointed out that Ted signed his name with the "Z" under it.

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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby AK Wilks » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:28 am

That is excellent work Darla, thanks.

I know one element, the DQAlpha, of the EAR/ONS DNA. With these other elements you found I could more definitively rule someone in or out.

That does look like a large Z similar to what Ted writes underneath his name.

I see some similarities and differences in the writing. the problem with cursive is it is hard to compare, as most cursive writing all looks similar. Have to look at this further. I do see an interesting similarity between the lower case "g" in "milling" and the lower case "g" in "Chicago".
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Re: EAR/ONS/GSK Case Compared to Zodiac and TK

Postby Mr lowe » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:51 pm

And again a VOLKSWAGEN is the car of chioce for this perp.

CONCLUSIONS
The EAR is a WMA in his late teens or early twenties. He is about 5'8" in height with a pale skin, light colored eyes (blue or hazel) moderately long, dark blond or light brown hair and a slender build. He most probably drives an older VW of a nondescript color, sighted under varying lighting conditions and reported variously as dark green, gray or silver blue. It may have expanded rear fenders and wide wheels. He has the tendency to return to areas he appears to have familiarized himself with. These areas seemingly can be distinguished by homes up for sale and escape routes where he can avoid detection during the early morning hours.
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