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masootz wrote:

morf13 wrote:People that think Ross may be Z, are taking part in posts on the Ross thread discussing clues, and finding more ways to investigate him,and all the while, People that clearly doubt Ross is a Suspect, continue to post doubts about him. Again, maybe it's just me, but if I don't think a Suspect is Z, I simply do not post in a thread about the Suspect, as I personally feel it's a waste of my time, which is why you don't see me ever posting in several Suspect threads.

that sounds dangerously like "i don't want to hear from anyone who doesn't agree". maybe that's not how you meant it but i think that's what riled up the foreigner as well. part of what keeps the checks and balances of a board like this is precisely that those who don't agree feel the right to chime in and say so. i personally don't think it's a waste of time to evaluate someone's theories, including suspects, and help make them stronger by pointing out flaws. in fact, over the past year that's one of the main things i really like about this messageboard. if you don't accept the criticism then you end up with a lot of one-sided theories that are weakened by the fact that those who disagree don't post in those threads. just my 2 cents, i'm not trying to make things worse, etc.

Not sure where you got that from, but it's okay. What I said was, I don't care whether somebody likes or doesn't like a Suspect of mine, plain and simple....it's not going to change my approach, or my investigating. Again, every person is allowed to have an opinion, that's what's great, even if we don't agree with each other. Again, just my personal opinion, but if I don't think a Suspect is Zodiac, I view it as a waste of my time posting in that thread, but judging from the Ross threads, not everybody views it the same way, which is their right-hey it's their time, if they want to waste it on somebody they don't think was Z, more power to them

Norse wrote:

morf13 wrote:As far as the Ross stuff, here's what irritates me. People that think Ross may be Z, are taking part in posts on the Ross thread discussing clues, and finding more ways to investigate him,and all the while, People that clearly doubt Ross is a Suspect, continue to post doubts about him.

If people just say “nah, don't think it was him” over and over again, then tell them to stop or get banned. You have the authority to do that – and it would be legitimate in my opinion.

But saying that people can go elsewhere and post about a suspect they like is not going to accomplish anything good. It shouldn't be about liking a suspect on a scale from one to ten. Ultimately, it should be about dissecting both the evidence itself and our various interpretations of this evidence. If the latter is illogical, if the focus is wrong, if you put an unreasonable amount of emphasis on B and far too little on A – then I have to say so.

And then you can retort: I'm wrong, I've missed the point, I'm not looking at the full picture. And so we move on – hopefully getting a better understanding of both the evidence and the POI in question. If I refrain from making those – critical – comments, and just stick to posting about what I like (in which case I'd never post, because I don't really like any of the proposed suspects), then what? Well, in my particular case there would no great loss – but if ALL of the “naysayers” refrained from making a nuisance of themselves, would that really be beneficial to the progress of the Ross investigation/research?

That's where the pros & cons section comes in to play

morf13 wrote:
That's where the pros & cons section comes in to play

Alright.

That wasn't what I hinted at, though. Criticism amounts to something more – and something more valuable – than simply throwing out cons against a proposed suspect. You can't really comment on something posted in the general thread by adding some sort of “con” in the other thread. That will never work, and if this is adhered to, it will effectively put a stop to people commenting at all in the main thread if they disagree with something.

Your take on, say, POI criticism is – well, noted. But I don't agree with it. I think criticism should always be welcomed and that it's never a waste of time unless it's mindless and petty.

It's your show, though. I'll respect your wishes.

Glurk's post reminded of what happened on Reddit immediately after the Boston Marathon bombing. Many amateur sleuths on Reddit starting digging around, and found images of Sunil Tripathi who ended up looking a lot like Tsarnaev, the actual bomber. Turns out Sunil had nothing to do with it. But the fervent suspicion generated by Reddit users only hurt Sunil and his family.

If they had correctly identified the bomber, they would have been hailed as heroes. But instead, the Reddit general manager had to reach out to the Tripathi family to apologize for the actions of Reddit users.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/22 ... t-20130422

So I guess the point is: Don't be wrong. Or, don't allow your wrongness to hurt people.

One thing to also keep in mind is that people on this board come from different parts of the world and from different backgrounds. Communication can be a little bit of a problem at times, especially over the internet. In person it is much easier to understand someone and tell when they are being sarcastic or serious or being an a-hole or whatever. I think it is great that we can express our opinions, but a couple people seem to have a problem with that. I have seen it only a couple of times on this particular site to tell you the truth and that is great. Other sites I have been to have a lot of this and a ton of negativity. That is why I choose to post on this site far more than any of the others. Criticism is not a bad thing at all, but there is a nice way to go about it. If I disagree with a theory or a suspect/POI, I have no problem saying so, but I try my best to explain why and in a manor to where I won't make anyone mad or hurt their feelings. And again, I think when doing things like this it all comes down to communication. When I saw TF's original post here I thought maybe she was just taking something the wrong way. So everyone please just keep that in mind. I'm sure I post things sometimes that not everyone can understand what the hell I am saying.