Theforeigner says goodbye for now...

[Theforeigner]

Sorry to say but I'v had it! The reason, in very short, can be read in this posts.

Love lots of you guys in here, you know who you are, and I will miss you guys until we hopfully see each other again <3

morf13 wrote:
I know one thing as far as Ross is concerned, he is certainly generating lots of buzz and posts here, and even bringing some new Members to the site. Heck, even people that don't like Ross as a Suspect can't keep from posting about him

What an unpleasant and obnoxious attitude

To be honest Morf I don't think it is funny at all, I ONLY post about Ross Sullivan in hope to wake up the IMHO blinded Ross crowd who, in all respect and IMHO, has started to remind me of the different people who have published books and the like, about their POI, with lots of interesting circumstancial evidence, but with serious and crucial gaps that they stubbornly refuse to realize, and with an serious lack of critical thinking keep on defending.

This forum have, more or less, turned into a Ross Sullivan forum, most of all because the owner, you Morf, IMHO have lost your objective sense (I know you try once in a while but it dosen't work I'm sorry to say) which is VERY important to keep in check in order to make a forum work well.

You have even gone so far to, some weeks ago, between the lines, kind of ridicule/critizise those of us who have a POI whom we, for one reason or another, choose not to reveal and refrain from put up for discussion with the rest of the forum. Made me really disapointed, sad and angry.

And you, and others from this Ross Sullivan crowd, insinuate, actually say it very directly, now and then, that the reason why people post critical input and information about Sullivan is because they/we/I have a POI of our own, and to say that is IMO REALLY LOW !

So for now I think I will stop posting on this forum and just read what I find interesting untill, if that happen, this forum get back to that great forum it once was.

Theforeigner

[morf13]

I'm sorry to see you go. I personally think you have overreacted, but you are welcome to do what is best for you. Subjects, Suspects,Victims, etc get hot in some of these threads at times. People start posting about them and they cool down again. That's what is happening with Sullivan now. Next week, the Domingos/Edwards discussion may be very active. If you are getting angry with me for the Sullivan topic generating interest, I can't apologize for that. If you read my posts, you will see i have time and time again mentioned that the info about Ross is NOT good enough and we need more and a link to the SF Bay area. Is that not being objective? I also have said if Ross can be ruled out by police, I would happily move on. What is the problem with that?

[UKSpycatcher]

It's sad to lose good members like Foreigner.

[morf13]

It's sad to lose good members like Foreigner.

I agree, I hope she will reconsider.

[UKSpycatcher]

So for now I think I will stop posting on this forum and just read what I find interesting untill, if that happen, this forum get back to that great forum it once was.

Theforeigner

Come back Foreigner and 'just read what you find interesting'' and 'post on what you find interesting and 'ignore what you don't find interesting''.

[Tahoe27]

So for now I think I will stop posting on this forum and just read what I find interesting untill, if that happen, this forum get back to that great forum it once was.

Theforeigner

Come back Foreigner and 'just read what you find interesting'' and 'post on what you find interesting and 'ignore what you don't find interesting''.

I know you meant well by that UK, but I don't think that is what TF is looking to do.

[Zamantha]

Dear The Foreigner,
You know I care & don't want you to leave! And I honestly know a lot of others care. I do agree, that it's not over until it's over & we must stay objective & continue to look at everyone & everyhing that comes our way.
I almost left over the LL & Grant as I honestly found LL's research & book interesting & was upset that so many played games as LL & Tom V dislike each other. There were a few people at Toms & here at Morfs that messaged me & wanted to discuss some more of the findings. I took a deep breathe & a mini vacation & of course came back to read & post. I sincerely hope you consider to do the same.
Hugs, Zamantha*

[Theforeigner]

I'm sorry to see you go. I personally think you have overreacted, but you are welcome to do what is best for you. Subjects, Suspects,Victims, etc get hot in some of these threads at times. People start posting about them and they cool down again. That's what is happening with Sullivan now. Next week, the Domingos/Edwards discussion may be very active. If you are getting angry with me for the Sullivan topic generating interest, I can't apologize for that. If you read my posts, you will see i have time and time again mentioned that the info about Ross is NOT good enough and we need more and a link to the SF Bay area. Is that not being objective? I also have said if Ross can be ruled out by police, I would happily move on. What is the problem with that?

Please don't insult my intelligence Morf!
Of course I have no problem with that a new suspect get attention, and you know it!

It is when, more or less all the old, & some newer, of the greatest Zodiac researchers, who really do knows the case, present
obvious facts and arguments explaining that a suspect in all probability could not be the Zodiac, and you as a leader
and owner of this forum STILL are not willing to take those facts & arguments seriously but instead comes up with one
explaining away after another to hold on to the suspect, that I get exstreamly frustrated and plain discouraged.
And with you, you have a lot of new members who does not know the case in depth, and after a while most of the forum activity
is centered around this IMO, and many others opinion, in many ways hopeless suspect.

And when you also,a couple of weeks ago, make statements like this quote, and other related little sarcastic hints now and then (which is NOT humorous if you ask me), then I'v had it. Not to mention a specific Ross Sullivan entusiasts's many sneaky remarks UGH!

by morf13 » Wed May 13, 2015 7:50 am
I won't name any names, but there have been some researchers over the years that have been instrumental in discovering things about the case, clues, etc, bringing things to people's attention, and sharing stuff with the online Z community which is all appreciated of course, and admirable. I know they have spent time, money, etc getting this stuff. The issue for me is, that many of these people spin it towards their own personal Suspect, as opposed to lay it out there for discussion and debate. Some people are simply so locked on their Suspect, I honestly don't know how neutral or open minded they still are about the case. Maybe that's human nature, I don't know, and I can not speak for them

I am one of those persons you mention above, and you know it!
And I have a VERY good reason to keep my POI to myself, and I have even explained that to you, and I'm sure others have their good reasons for not sharing their POIs, and you should God Dam it respect that !!! instead of expose them/us as someone who is doing something bad.
One of my MANY reason for not sharing info about my POI (some reasons I can't explain for another GOOD reason) is that unless I find my POIs smoking gun, I don't want to expose him to the Zodiac machinery, and put him at risk of being exposed publicly, if it should turn out that he in fact is innocent, because exposing him that would do a LOT of damage, in a way that you have no idea about.

So my advice to you Morf is; think about what I have had to say, not only today but also at other times lately, instead of jump to defenses and excuses and make it sound as if I am the one overreacting and misunderstanding, because I am not alone in my views.

In hope that things eventually will work out...

Theforeigner

[Dag MacLugh]

Foreigner:
I posted an earlier reply, but apparently didn't punch the "Submit" button--so, if it pops up, please don't be confused.
The gist of my earlier post is this: don't be discouraged if someone criticized you rather sharply. Not all of us--myself, included--are skilled in the social graces. The best response to a snarky comment is, I've discovered, to take a deep breath and reply with, if anything, exaggerated (sp?) civility.
Come back when you're ready; we'll be delighted to welcome you.
Dag

[Theforeigner]

To all of you who have posted those kind words and thoughts, thanks a LOT I really do appreciate it.

I am not going to respond and explain anymore because I have said what I had to say, and are not going to debate or discuss it any further, hope you understand.

love & hugs

Theforeigner