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Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:28 am
by doranchak
On the other hand, if we can chop out rate by 20% each day, the numbers look like this:

After 1 day: 42,402 (growth rate: 26%)
After 2 days: 51,357 (growth rate: 21%)
After 3 days: 60,034 (growth rate: 16%)
After 4 days: 68,149 (growth rate: 13%)
After 5 days: 75,518 (growth rate: 10%)
After 6 days: 82,051 (growth rate: 8%)
After 7 days: 87,730 (growth rate: 6%)
After 8 days: 92,587 (growth rate: 5%)
After 9 days: 96,688 (growth rate: 4%)
After 10 days: 100,114 (growth rate: 3%)
After 11 days: 102,952 (growth rate: 2%)
After 12 days: 105,287 (growth rate: 2%)
After 13 days: 107,197 (growth rate: 1%)
After 14 days: 108,753 (growth rate: 1%)
After 15 days: 110,015 (growth rate: 1%)
After 16 days: 111,037 (growth rate: 0%)
After 17 days: 111,862 (growth rate: 0%)
After 18 days: 112,527 (growth rate: 0%)
After 19 days: 113,062 (growth rate: 0%)
After 20 days: 113,493 (growth rate: 0%)

So we would level out a bit over 100,000 cases.
Doesn't seem likely to slow down that quickly but that's a good demonstration of the significance of the changes in growth rate.

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:04 am
by Mr lowe
doranchak wrote:Italy, the country at the #2 spot, is currently at 59,138 cases. Yesterday, its day to day growth rate was 10.38%.
If Italy holds that growth rate, and we hold our 33% growth rate, then we will have more cases than Italy within 5 days.
If we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day, we will still overtake Italy within 5 days.

If both we and Italy reduce our rates by 10% each day, then we overtake Italy in 4 days.

What about China? They are at 81,093 cases and their growth rate is essentially flat (0.05%).
We will exceed their case count in 4 days even if we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day.

It seems inevitable that the USA will be the #1 place for covid-19 infections within a week.



without being political because this is above politics, it seems insane cosidering your president said "the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero." it feels like he said that only a few weeks ago..the spread rate is staggering and the challenge to suppress seems woefully inadequate.
i feel the light at the end of the tunnel is a train comming at us.

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:44 am
by doranchak
Per request from Mr. Lowe, current flights over the USA:

https://i.imgur.com/qq8FHEW.png

Still a large amount of flying going on.

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:06 am
by Chaucer
Mr lowe wrote:
doranchak wrote:Italy, the country at the #2 spot, is currently at 59,138 cases. Yesterday, its day to day growth rate was 10.38%.
If Italy holds that growth rate, and we hold our 33% growth rate, then we will have more cases than Italy within 5 days.
If we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day, we will still overtake Italy within 5 days.

If both we and Italy reduce our rates by 10% each day, then we overtake Italy in 4 days.

What about China? They are at 81,093 cases and their growth rate is essentially flat (0.05%).
We will exceed their case count in 4 days even if we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day.

It seems inevitable that the USA will be the #1 place for covid-19 infections within a week.



without being political because this is above politics, it seems insane cosidering your president said "the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero." it feels like he said that only a few weeks ago..the spread rate is staggering and the challenge to suppress seems woefully inadequate.
i feel the light at the end of the tunnel is a train comming at us.

This is because we elected an idiotic reality show star with a Twitter addiction because many Americans hate brown and poor people.

Now we are paying the price.

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:53 pm
by Quicktrader
Chaucer wrote:
Mr lowe wrote:
doranchak wrote:Italy, the country at the #2 spot, is currently at 59,138 cases. Yesterday, its day to day growth rate was 10.38%.
If Italy holds that growth rate, and we hold our 33% growth rate, then we will have more cases than Italy within 5 days.
If we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day, we will still overtake Italy within 5 days.

If both we and Italy reduce our rates by 10% each day, then we overtake Italy in 4 days.

What about China? They are at 81,093 cases and their growth rate is essentially flat (0.05%).
We will exceed their case count in 4 days even if we reduced our growth rate by 10% each day.

It seems inevitable that the USA will be the #1 place for covid-19 infections within a week.



without being political because this is above politics, it seems insane cosidering your president said "the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero." it feels like he said that only a few weeks ago..the spread rate is staggering and the challenge to suppress seems woefully inadequate.
i feel the light at the end of the tunnel is a train comming at us.

This is because we elected an idiotic reality show star with a Twitter addiction because many Americans hate brown and poor people.

Now we are paying the price.


You are right - when I started this thread, the least I expected was people talking about politics.

Ebola, Corona and possibly other (future) diseases may be discussed without blaming other people, whomever that is. "Survival tipps" is to help through such crisis, passively, as a part of the hangout zone, Anyway, I'd like to respond on that:

- The cite you quoted was from Feb 26th. At that time, 'only' 15 infected people - seemed to be a 'controllable' outbreak. Most likely, those 15 were indeed quarantined, sooner or later, but hadn't it been only 15 but possibly 150 already. What else would you have expected? A politician telling you "we have 15 cases - now we are all doomed?"

- The speed rate is staggering, absolutely right with that one. Most of the territories in this world are not able to handle it, including Angela Merkel (German chancellor).

- Regarding "we elected an idiotic reality show star": If you are right with that one - what have you donefor this country, so far?

- Regarding "who hate brown and poor people": Even if somebody hates them - which I doubt - why care about it? In fact I think not many people hate poor people at all. But does that mean they are handled differently? How do you define poor at all, as long as somebody (monetary) does not show his bank statement? 90% have their own responsibility. How much groceries did you produce instead of 'buying' it with money, not having produced them by yourself? Do all 'brown' people love white ones? Racism discussion is nonsense, out of date, as long as the rights are covered for both, which is the case since Martin Luther King - isn't it?

- Regarding "Now we are paying the price.": First of all, the virus is NOT from inside our nations but a different one. Thus, it could have been better to set up a 50m high fence to not get any of other nation's diseases. But our world is open for this, thus, it happened. So if you mention "now we are paying the price", in connection with some 'idiotic reality star' you simply chevy against some theoretical construct. Goebbels did that, too, just saying.

So, it's moreless a useless discussion, imo. Politics, one way or another, is not related to the virus. It's up to all of us to do something against it, e.g. by staying at home. Reconsider, however, to blame other people for such disease (the 'Spanish' flu did come from South America, but was fist found in Spain..so the Spanish were not responsible for that one, either..).

QT

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm
by Quicktrader
Austria: +72% daily cases despite bio-lockdown since March 16th. Globally, 272k infected - more than 1/4 of a million.

I will later post some pictures from a walk I decided to make in Vienna (today). One guy coughing around over a distance of less than 100 yards, wonder why he did walk around at all - but no police nearby. First time, feelings are not only worried, frightened, anxious but sad about the development of the disease.

QT

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:12 pm
by Emann
Looking forward is what is needed at this time.
What can I do now that will make a difference for myself and everyone else?

Staying home!
When I do have to go out for essentials, social distancing.
To help those who have lost jobs, I pay it forward at gas stations and pharmacy etc.

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:04 pm
by Theforeigner
Emann wrote:Looking forward is what is needed at this time.
What can I do now that will make a difference for myself and everyone else?

Staying home!
When I do have to go out for essentials, social distancing.
To help those who have lost jobs, I pay it forward at gas stations and pharmacy etc.


And... WASH YOUR HANDS with soap, also wash your wrists, all together for at least 30 seconds!
Do it before you leave your house and then again the first thing you do when you get back home.

Here an illustration video of hand washing with black paint so that you can see what parts of the hands that are easy to forget:
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1241177007305744384

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:21 pm
by Quicktrader
Thank you Emann & TheForeigner, you have understood. It is not a question of 'if' but 'when'.

To no more than give an impression of what is going on here in Austria, I send you a short digital imprint of pictures I made today. The situation I had to see today shocked me significantly. It is as if 98% of the population had simply 'disappeared'. My dog even is wondering like hell..

It confirmed, however, that staying home is right. Also it showed, that after 2 weeks of isolation, people probably will stop self-isolation due to lack of discipline.

Biowarfare.pdf


It left me in deep worries about what - first of all: is going on - also what will happen over the next days, weeks, months.

QT

Re: Survival tipps

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:45 pm
by Theforeigner
Your can follow the worldwide, by country, day by day development of COVID19,
infected, deaths, recovered and critical sic, in this link, it is IMO the most precise & reliable website :

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/